What do you think about that when villian:
flat calls oop, and then
check calls flop, (half pot)
check call turn, (half pot)
and now in the river leads out and makes huge overbet or goes all in first ?
Its very weird, strange move i have had lately came up to (way more than usual), and i dont know what to do here.
Any ideas ? What you think ?
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My first thought is that he hit a set on the flop, and decided to ride with it.
It would be helpful for this type of question if we could see the flop, turn and river cards.
For example, if he hit top set -- or even top two -- and no overcards come on the turn and river, his play makes sense.
If he raised you at any point, you might fold and deny him turn and river value.
OTR such a bet is either the nuts or air.
To decide whether or not to call it depends totally on what you hold, and what the board is.
So it is best to post the hand history in a forum-readable form.
If you use tracking software like PokerTracker 4 or Hold'em Manager, you can read how to convert a hand here:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=1432568#post1432568
If you have access to the hand histories, but no tracking software, you can use Feral Cow
I like to use the "Two Plus Two - emoticons" output format.
Cheers,
VS
Lol, don’t listen to Vorpal.
If the villain had a set you’d expect a check raise before the river. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. But it’s only the odd fish who would play his sets in this way.
Vorpal, you cling too tightly to pre-flop ranges. Every single time the villain makes a play we can reassign a range to his hand. Preflop a PP looks likely, but that check/call on the flop don’t look like a set. Nor does the check/call on the turn.
If the villain ever donks big and scarily like this, you are usually safe to assume that they have just improved. Other times, they are tilting after missing another draw. It’s not very likely that they are slow playing the nuts but anything is possible.
yeah, i agree with yadi. what they are representing is that the river card has improved them, is it true? well...
in my experience, that's indeed the case most of the time. against some players, it can be good to use this line yourself, both as value and bluffs - try to represent an obvious completed draw, when in fact you have another draw that missed.
Yeah yeah, another one I love is the small river donk bluff to fold out bigger missed draws!
The question is vague enough to give an accurate anwser. Usually check/call both flop and turn, followed by a river lead, is a value heavy line. I've seen very few bluffs with this line, although there are spots where it is correct to do so. I also don't play high-stakes, where probably things may be a bit different.
About the check/call line: imagine the following scenario:
BB flat vs UTG open with 44 and the flop comes AK4, turn a J. It's perfectly ok to play this bottom set as a check/call in all streets.
Surely sets should raise more often OTF or OTT in most spots, but in poker we can't say always.
Hi!
According to Tommy Angelo this line represents a very good hand. So, Passive + Passive + Aggressive = Big Hand.