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Folding overpair on the river

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biel1996
Joined: 09.12.2015

Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 103 BB
BTN: 131 BB
SB: 118 BB
BB: 186.5 BB
UTG: 101 BB
UTG+1: 33.5 BB
MP: 64 BB
MP+1: 101.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) J♦ 3♠ T♦
SB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) 7♥
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (29 BB, 2 players) 8♣
SB bets 14.5 BB, fold

SB wins 27.5 BB

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Hello friends, another hand which your inputs would be appreciated :)

I open raise with pocket queens and the SB flats.

Flop looks pretty OK to me, no overcards, but a possible flush and straight draws on the board. I make a standard c-bet, he flats again.

On the turn things get a bit ugly, 7h can complete a 89 straight. I bet 30% pot and he check-raises me. From that point on I put him on anything from AJ to a straight, but I decide to call his min-raise -> maybe that was a bad decision, but I believed I still had equity to call.

River comes things become even worse, now a simple 9 would complete a straight. It was a bit tough to fold here, but I think I was definetly beat on this one...

What are your thoughts?

Thanks!


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Torcato
Joined: 17.02.2010

Hello Biel,

Pf standard OR with QQ.
Flop i'd bet bigger, like between 4-5 bbs. Clear value bet.
Turn again, bet bigger, around 8-9bbs.
River, if villain makes a donk bet and without any reads I'd fold.
As played, nice fold I guess.

You have to play your value hands aggressevely and with no fear, most of the players at NL2 will call you down until river with 2nd pairs.
Cheers :f_drink:


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

who is villain tight or loose? we need info . Like what torcato said the flop bet should usually be 2/3 pot half pot, you were giving villain better pot odds to see a turn and catch up to you. On the turn you bet less than half the pot, some fishy villains in micros take this as sign of weakness and will raise on that alone not necessarily with the nuts every time ,that and people don't let go of much with such small bet sizing. If you raised him 2/3 the pot and he re-raised you that would show more if hes serious or not but his min-raise was also weird. Not sure what he has here the check raise indicates sets, 2 pairs , nut flushes w or w/o a pair, but your bet sizing is kind of letting villain do what he wants. Whenever you don't know for sure the best thing to do was probrably fold he most likely had you beat . try to work on betting higher and proper amounts


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Betting a bit bigger could be ok for sure. Checking this flop wouldn't be a bad play, but balancing isn't what you should aim for in the first place.
Those min-raises OTT always look so nuttish...
It is a call, although 9x got there and you're blocking draws. He could play a 98s this way, although a decent player wouldn't be calling this hand preflop from the SB vs a late open. You block Q9s which he could also have.
I'd say this a spot you don't need to worry about. Call or fold, flip a coin at it


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

Bet bigger OTF. a 40% bet is NOT a standard cbet when there is no 3bet preflop. 67%-80% is a standard cbet. Bc of the drawheavy board, I would go for 80% here.
Bet bigger on turn too. It's a relative blank. Draws have a no-brain call if you bet this small, you want them to pay good money to seek.

River is nasty, but for that amount, I'm making a crying call. You totally underrepped your hand so maybe he thinks he can bluff you out or think his Jx is good.


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biel1996
Joined: 09.12.2015

You guys are right. Looking at it now I'm really not sure why I didn't bet bigger on flop and turn. I probably expected his range was marginal and wanted him to call me. But looking at the board, it's pretty obvious now that my bets were too small.

I'll try to correct that in my plays... Lately I've been getting lots of value with my strong/medium hands by betting small and going to showdown, but it also generates some variance, I'm letting the villain outdraw me on the river too often.

Thank you!


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