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JJ, extracting value should I be betting more here?

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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Villain stats 33/7/1 (50 hands)

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 8 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.41 (121 bb)
UTG+1: $1.32 (66 bb)
MP (Hero): $2.77 (139 bb)
MP+1: $3.61 (181 bb)
CO: $2.10 (105 bb)
BU: $2.00 (100 bb)
SB: $1.95 (98 bb)
BB: $1.54 (77 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with J J
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.06, 4 players fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 2 5 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.04, BB calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.21) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08

River: ($0.37) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $0.37 (Rake: $0.01)

Showdown:
MP (Hero) mucks J J (a full house, Fives full of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 91%, River: 0%)

BB shows A 3 (a full house, Fives full of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 9%, River: 100%)

BB wins $0.36

I figure villain has A-high much of the time when he calls the c-bet also possible are 43s, Suited broadways and some middle pocket pairs, 2x and rarely the 5.I bet about 1/3 pot because I want to keep all his bad hands in the pot I have been following Jon Little's content lately and he says small stakes you should c-bet smaller than half pot unless scary board I didn't consider this one too scary, tell me, what do you think, do you agree or should it be standard half pot minimum. Another 5 comes making it less likely for him to hold a 5. Suited broadways might give-up with no backdoor flush besides A-high because of showdown equity? villain calls the roughly 1/3 pot again and river brings an A. Villain checks and I think this hits his range good so I check behind and he shows A3ss. Would you have bet more first 2 streets or was the hand fine?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would Cbet against a fish at least half pot and most likely even around 2/3 pot for value on flop and turn. Than you gt more value. River is nasty, but I doubt you get any value if you would fire again.

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SDK1987


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Agree with SDK my go to bet size is 1/2p in single raised pots and 1/3p more for 3bet and 4bet pots.So 1/2p even 2/3 on the flop and 1/2p on the turn and value bet most rivers.Then re-evaulate the strength of our hand if we gt raised at any point.As played i think id check back the river and play it the same way as villain can still have plenty of Ax by the river vs these sizings imo.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Yes I think you may be right about this one , after looking back 1/3 seems weak


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Sizings are quite off.
I'd bet flop bigger right away. Put pressure on TT-66, protect from overcards.
Turn is interesting. I'm pretty sure you should overbet this quite frequently because you have the strongest full-houses and villain doesn't (he's capped, you're not). Even broadways should do it (KQ- K9s, QJ, QT, JT, J9). Monster size on this turn is mandatory. Check with ace high's as they have showdown value.
It puts tons of pressure on weak full-houses that are forced to bluffcatch sometimes to prevent you to get away too often with your air.

Edit: decided to solve this one and it would indeed bet bigger OTF and overbet the turn (170% was the size I used) with almost 50% of its range, namely overpairs and broadways.


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yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

I’d have bet somewhere between 2/3 pot and 3 x pot without thinking, but I do really like your play. It is very friendly lol, but I think the villain calls both streets with his entire range and you have almost all of it owned! This play could even make more money than my big overbet...

The check back on the river was smooth. He usually folds unless he has us beat. He could also raise-bluff a card like the Ace with air. If you’d have bet you’d have ruined the play.


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