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Kriegphilosopher
Joined: 02.03.2012

PokerStars - 15/30 Ante 3 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 14.07 BB
MP: 19.2 BB
CO: 19.27 BB
BTN: 15.13 BB
Hero (SB): 15.8 BB
BB: 16.53 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has Q♦ A♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.6 BB, 2 players) J♦ 4♠ 2♣
Hero bets 2.23 BB, BB calls 2.23 BB

Turn: (10.07 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero checks, BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (14.07 BB, 2 players) 2♠
Hero checks, BB bets 4 BB, fold

BB wins 14.07 BB

Hey, villain is 100/33 (3)

too high cbet ik...

Q1: Is turn bet considerable?
Q2: If you c/c turn, what´s the highest sizing you´d call there?
Q3: do u also not think he has more than 18% times air on rvr?
Q4: If Turn goes King, do you also cbet and shove any rvr?

thanks guys


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

raising or shoving pre is fine. If he is a reg I would tend to shovr or he 3bets a lot. flop ist std but I would bet more. 3bb should be fine. If we were deeper you sizing is ok but in this case with a spr close to 1 I want to get it in on the turn especially on a brick like this one.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Based on his stats he isn't a reg, but with in mind he played any hand so far a shove seems the best move. Especially out of position against a fishy player it's tough to play post-flop against a unpredictable defending range of him.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Kriegphilosopher
Joined: 02.03.2012

I thought postflop action is interesting here so I asked questions there not realizing we don´t even agree on preflop action. To me this has always been good raise/call hand especially when I have wide steal range. So can u please tell me what your range looks like here 16bb deep vs unknown opponent?

Originally posted by SDK1987
Based on his stats he isn't a reg, but with in mind he played any hand so far a shove seems the best move. Especially out of position against a fishy player it's tough to play post-flop against a unpredictable defending range of him.

Cheers,
SDK1987

So the fact that villain is fish, got crippled ranges (too much air) is actually an argument not to play him postflop but rather shove op hands 16bb deep? C´mon man you don´t smell that edge postflop - getting well paid valuehands and ez bluffing equity on right boards (often dealt - as I proposed in question number 4)?

Originally posted by maniac
raising or shoving pre is fine. If he is a reg I would tend to shovr or he 3bets a lot. flop ist std but I would bet more. 3bb should be fine. If we were deeper you sizing is ok but in this case with a spr close to 1 I want to get it in on the turn especially on a brick like this one.

If he´s reg, we shove such a hand telling him that he can resteal ATC to us or? Isn´t this a great hand on raise/call yet well playable postflop? What are we afraid of there... To the sizing this is the second time I can see you giving advice that the more deeper, the lower sizing is good and the shalower, higher sizing better - what´s the logic behind it? I do it vice versa. Shalow I feel like I need more space to raise/fold and/or to have lesser pot/stacksize ratio in case of postflop action, meanwhile deep I want to create bigger pots so I can generate value, 2,5bb raise 70bb deep while 3bb raise 15 bb deep please explain me the logic behind it


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

well the logic is simple. If he 3bets too much by shoving because he thinks you fold to much on 3bets which is common under regs you widen your r/c range. Regs tend to shove crap which is correct if you fold to much.

Against ok regs you simply choose to shove pre due to icm to avoid tricky spots. Esecially with pokets and lower Ax because they play bad postflop. To compensate and still be balaced vs regs we simplify spots like this and just shove the given nash range.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Preflop raise is fine and 2.5bb is good. Only time I would personally shove this is if I know villain call way too much versus shove. Versus aggro or competent villain limping is good option also. But as default I would be raising small. If we have like 13bb or less though I would choose to open shove to avoid nasty really low SPR flop spots.

Flop you can either x-c or cbet small. 2bb would be my default. Point is though that you don't try to get better to fold by cbetting flop. It's more of equity denial, thin value bet and keeping your range uncapped. But issue of cbet is that once he call we then easily get into these spots.

It's pretty dry flop and unless villain defend with hands like 53s, 65o it's pretty tricky for him to show up with air. Well he might just call some T9 or QT as float but we don't really have any read. Anyway betting this turn won't make sense as I would again not assume better to fold. Turn x-c for this price is fine with plan to fold river unimproved. Some portion of time villain will give up if bluffing and we have 6 outs most of time.

Checking flop has its own problems but also positive sides.


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