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Set C/R on the flop, awful turn. How to approach it?

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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

** Hand History For Game 1588524474856t2jz1jr18u **
0.05/0.10 Texas Holdem Game Table (NL) - Sun May 03 12:46:07 EDT 2020
Table 6-Max NLH [$5-$10 Buy-in] 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: Player3 ($9.34)
Seat 2: Player4 ($11.31)
Seat 3: Player5 ($10.35)
Seat 4: Player6 ($13.71)
Seat 5: Hero ($16.39)
Seat 6: Player2 ($10.15)
Hero posts small blind (0.05)
Player2 posts big blind (0.10)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h, 8s ]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 raises 0.20 to 0.20
Hero calls (0.15)
Player2 folds
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 8c, 5h ]
Hero checks
Player6 bets (0.36)
Hero raises 2.70 to 2.70
Player6 calls (2.34)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9c ]
Hero bets (2.40)
Player6 calls (2.40)
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
Hero checks
Player6 bets (8.41)
Player6 is all-In.
Hero folds
Creating Main Pot with $ 10.17 with Player6
** Summary **
Main Pot: $10.17 Rake: $0.53000003
Board: [ 6c, 8c, 5h, 9c, 3d ]
Player3 balance $9.34, didn't bet (folded)
Player4 balance $11.31, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $10.35, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $18.58, bet $13.71, collected $18.58, net +$4.87
Hero balance $11.09, lost $5.30 (folded)
Player2 balance $10.05, lost $0.10 (folded)

This is sometimes 3 bet pre sb vs btn, but this time I decided to flat. On such a wet flop, that does hit btns range I felt the c/r was best action, although the spr is awkward on the turn. Turn maybe I have to just check and hope to get to showdown, but I tried a blocked bet that I think achieved nothing. River is a clear fold I think.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Your check/raise sizing is huge on flop. Not sure why you would raise that much. $1 seems big enough.
It depends on villain, but after his call on flop I would most likely check/fold on a reasonable turn bet. All draws he could call arrived here.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

I knew it was a dangerous board so I wanted to raise enough on the flop to reasonable shove the turn on any card that isn’t a club or that put a 4 to a straight on the board.


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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

Agree it’s a ck/f on the turn. It’s just annoying because when I ck I know villian bets his whole range.


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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

I agree with smaller raise OTF. I think 1.1-1.3 is enough. You want to keep his draws in play. Sometimes they will find a fold with their draws to such a huge raise which you dont want.

Turn is of course the worst card in the deck but I dont think it is strictly check/fold. We should start pot controling. I would play according to pot odds/implied odds. So check and if he bets small enough = call, if he bets a lot = fold. You still have ten outs against his flushes and str8s. And he will definitely pay you off even if the board pairs. So you can call a bet that is bigger than calling for pure pot odds would suggest. This is another reason why you shold make the flop raise smaller. So you can potcontrol better, if the board runs out badly.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

smaller flop raise as the others have mentioned

if you check turn and expect your opponent to bet his entire range, then why would check/fold ever be a good choice? besides even if he did have a flush or straight, you have 20% to hit a full house. So I'm 100% not folding Turn vs 100%pot bet or less (draw equity + bluff catching vs made hands turned into bluffs). By the way it's also a good spot to check some flushes and straights here sometimes

as played your hand on the Turn can only withstand 1 more bet at most. And especially when you are the one betting on the Turn, it narrows down your opponent's range even further and is quite different if you opted to check-call the Turn, where your opponent could be on a bluff and may continue firing the river again.

When someone bet/calls Flop and calls Turn, he either has a pair which he plans on showing down (check back) or he has straight+ which will then bet river when checked to. So this makes your decision super easy in my opinion. How many people are gonna bet/call Flop, call Turn and bluff River? AcKx? Seems unlikely. AcA probably doesn't turn itself into a bluff in this fashion, at least most people wouldn't


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