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River donk or not?

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stinkvinger
Joined: 19.08.2012

Hello guys,

I'm wondering if you guys think that I should've betted large on the river to make it seem like a (semi-)bluff.

I was very sure there was at least someone with a set and I didn't raise the turn bet to scare away worse hands. I took the risk of calling even though I knew that one of two villains had a set. Because I didn't raise the turn I wanted someone else to respond with a large bet on the river. Unfortunately this didn't happen. I feel that one of my biggest leaks is not generating enough money on the river. Let me know your thoughts!

PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 70.75 BB
Hero (SB): 232.75 BB
BB: 290.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 363.19 BB
CO: 109 BB

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has A♦ J♦

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8.25 BB, 3 players) 6♦ 3♠ 4♦
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, BB raises to 9.75 BB, MP calls 7.75 BB, Hero calls 7.75 BB

Turn: (37.5 BB, 3 players) 8♦
Hero checks, BB bets 23.56 BB, MP calls 23.56 BB, Hero calls 23.56 BB

River: (108.19 BB, 3 players) 2♣
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

Hero shows A♦ J♦ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 26%, Turn 76%)
BB mucks 5♠ K♠ (Straight, Six High)
(Pre 30%, Flop 16%, Turn 0%)
MP mucks 4♥ 4♠ (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 30%, Flop 58%, Turn 24%)
Hero wins 103.31 BB


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by stinkvinger
I'm wondering if you guys think that I should've betted large on the river to make it seem like a (semi-)bluff.

Hi stinkvinger,
I don't know about "large", but multiway with the nut flush on an unpaired board I think a bet is required.
I favour 1/3 to 1/2 pot to try to make it look like a weak hand taking a stab. You may even get raised.

Cheers,
VS


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londonsystem
Joined: 19.11.2008

I found that I'm checking in the similar spot too often.
However, if the river could complete multiple draws, your opp would check back even J-high flush. So depending on the previous flow, you could either bet big (pot or even 1.5x pot) or bet small 1/4 to 1/3 pot.

In this specific case, I would bet pot and hope to be called by BB (quite active on both Flop and Turn). If it was not a regular table, sometimes I would push to a TAG reg.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

you're all quite deep, and you're OOP. easy raise on the turn, and jam OTR.
either player could have a lower flush, or not fold a set... you're really not going to make money on a lot of rivers being out of position, BB even checked the straight which could very reasonably be the best hand here.

"scaring away worse hands" just happens sometimes, and if they really are "folding worse hands" a ton, you should start bluffing at least pairs with one diamond. that's all hypothetical, because i've played this pool for a long time and it's mostly made of calling stations.
you even guessed that at least one player is strong, which is just more reason to be raising, as people hate to fold strong hands.


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checkdex
Joined: 17.10.2013

i agree with gold tomaloc , but why no 3bet preflop ,u r oop ..


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Ihuarraquax
Joined: 13.12.2016

1. I woul 3 bet preflop. 2. I would raise ott. 3. As played I would bet really big otr - maybe even shoving. Why notπŸ˜‚


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