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When should I fold an overpair?

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LahtiPelican
Joined: 27.04.2013

I have no stats (Just PartPoker things...), but I know that SB is one of the toughest regulars I played with on the site.

PartyGaming - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 109 BB
UTG: 101.4 BB
MP: 201.6 BB
Hero (CO): 152.8 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 138.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♠

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, SB raises to 33 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 19 BB <- After a cold 4bet, I don't want to go broke with ~140bb effective stack, so i call. I think he would play like this with a very strong range, like QQ+, AKo and AKs

Flop: (71 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 7♣ 2♦
SB bets 25.6 BB, Hero calls 25.6 BB

Turn: (122.2 BB, 2 players) 7♠
SB bets 80.2 BB, Hero???

:diamond: Am I right If I say, he has only QQ+ here? Could he play like this with JJ?

According to PT4, I need 28% here.

Against QQ+ I nearly drawing dead:

Board: 2♦9♣7♣ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO      8.04%   4.20%   3.85% { QhQs }
SB     91.96%  88.11%   3.85% { QQ+ }

If he plays like this with JJ+:

Board: 2♦9♣7♣ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     35.65%  33.01%   2.63% { QhQs }
SB     64.35%  61.72%   2.63% { JJ+ }

:diamond: Actually I like the fold better but what do you think? Close my eyes and call or fold?
:diamond: If fold, should I folded earlier? (I didn't because OTF I thought he can still have AKo or AKs, too. Not sure if I am right)


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Lucianomb
Joined: 18.05.2009

I think fold is better on turn! AK don't play like this and JJ is low frequency cold 4-bet. And his 4-bet size is too big, seems to be more like AA/KK.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

It is a huge 4b.
But as played i think folding the turn is fine. Don't beat anything but bluffs which people don't often do.


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

140bb deep is ok only call.

Post flop if he shove fd is a call, sometimes he has A7s, and often KK+


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Hmm bit over 2x 4bet is huge? Open raise size and 3bet size builds it huge though BB wise. Include at least AcKc in villain turn shove range.


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TheDudeRoyale
Joined: 19.03.2008

Originally posted by pisiattu
Post flop if he shove fd is a call, sometimes he has A7s, and often KK+

Why call preflop then? Hero can't really expect to hit any better board (except Qxx of course).

On NL5 I don't see too many people bluff cbet the flop and then give up the turn in a 4bet pot. The push >potsize is suspicious, yes, but why call the flop then if you don't want to go broke?

Interested in your thoughts :)


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

At nl 5 do you see often cold 4bet in bluff?
If oppo cbet random in bluff why do you want shove pre? Call and left he speawies, but when there is a deep stack at nl 5 reg usually are nitty.

Flop he can cbet AcKx or AxKc but turn he should givup.
Without info at nl 5 despite Q:h Qs: is very sexy I prefer a fold at bluffcatching If I am not sure that he can bluff with a correct frequency.

My 2 cents


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