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RTA are RNG's cheating ?

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So i have been reading a lot about Real-Time Assistance (RTA) lately and what is and isn't considered cheating it's a pretty hot topic within the poker community right now.And after taking some time to work on my own game i was considering using a random number generator (RNG) after seeing multiple streamers using them.It got me to thinking are RNG's actually cheating using RTA as they assist the poker player in their decision making.Any player using solver ranges and an RNG are effectively not even playing a pre flop game themselves anymore.The ranges are pre solved and the RNG is making all the percentage decisions the player just follows instruction essentially a GTO bot especially preflop.The human brain couldn't even come close calculating and randomizing the percentage plays from GTO ranges with any real accuracy.While an RNG can obviously calculate and randomize the numerous percentage plays perfectly and instantly. So should RNG's be considered cheating (RTA) by poker sites and players alike or are RNG's a perfectly acceptable tool to use in real time while playing ?.

Thanks for reading i look forward to hearing your thoughts.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

in the olden days, we used the second hand on a clock --
:diamond:  00 -- 19 seconds == choice A
:diamond:  20 -- 39 seconds == choice B
:diamond:  40 -- 59 seconds == choice C

I asked elsewhere -- which GTO ranges?
There are several, and they don't all agree on either the optimal hands, or the optimal frequency.


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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
in the olden days, we used the second hand on a clock --
:diamond:  00 -- 19 seconds == choice A
:diamond:  20 -- 39 seconds == choice B
:diamond:  40 -- 59 seconds == choice C

I asked elsewhere -- which GTO ranges?
There are several, and they don't all agree on either the optimal hands, or the optimal frequency.

If GTO solvers differ in ranges and frequencies doesn't it then just become a battle of who has the best solver software ranges to use with their their RNG ?.I'm not against them per se as i'm considering using one although i'm not sure ill enjoy using it.But i was just wondering maybe about the ethics of using them if that's not to strong a term given the current hot topic being RTA. And whether or not using RNG's could be considered cheating in any way although i'm not saying they are.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

If rng is cheating, so is looking a clock or rolling a dice.

There is no absolute and ultimate solver strategy. There are solvers who are calculating real or approximation of nash equilibrium (or how the hell you type it) with set parameters.

Change rake, strategy changes.
Change stacks, strategy changes.
Change range of 1+ player(s), strategy changes.

Mixed strategies are really hard to memorize completely, so sole rng doesn't help you at all. RTA couod be a software that reads the situation on the screen and tells you what certain solver strategy would do. And it would be silly not to have that rng built in it.


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Ye that makes sense since there are lots of variables to consider that i didn't account for and you cant ban people from looking at a clock i guess.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Hi,
For me using blindly pre solve open ranges and/or RNG to take decision instead of you means you are to bad player to decide yourself and you can get exploited very easy and very badly from the good players!
If anyone plays exactly GTO pre, they are all going to finish BE eventually and they will all be loosing from the rake!
In the other hand when we have info we will almost never go for randomness, but for the exploitive decision which will give you from slightly to huge EV difference!
Besides it is super easy to play and REKT those type of players using charts no matter what, who are so bad even to understand what and when and how that decision is affecting the final result!
Not to mention how bad most of those ranges are and especially there defenses are and how easy is ones noticed such player to REKT him is!
Cheers


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Good point vengeance77,
Also it should be pointed out that charts and so on only deal with pre-flop.
It still needs some post-flop smarts to finish off the hand...


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Most winning players aim to use solver preflop ranges as a default strategy, and they make profits. To say solver preflop = breakeven is just wrong.

If everyone would play those ranges, AND there would be NO postflop, it would be true.

The idea of good preflop ranges is to generate good postflop situations.


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