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AcQc on MP, overplayed?

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Bujnik22
Joined: 29.05.2010

Hello there! I am new to this forum so correct me if I'm doing anything wrong here. I'm encountering serious downswing (22k hands and counting, made me switch down from NL25 to NL10) and looking into my strategy if I play correctly after all. This attached file is my first "deep" analysis of hand I made. Before that I just opened equilab, put some ranges, decided "Uh, ok, bad luck" or "Ok, that was sick, don't do this" and work done. Now I want to try more complex approach and I'd like to use an opinion of smarter guys than me that are in this forum :) Thank you for your time and attention.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

A very detailed analysis -- wow.
Impressed.

I think shoving the nut flush draw is fine, since many worse will call

In this case, I think you just got unlucky

I'd like to hear what other NL25 players think though


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Bujnik22
Joined: 29.05.2010

Note: After reading this one more time I noticed, that I forgot to put some connectors to calling range, like JTs-98s that I usually call against UTG. It wouldnt change much in my postflop ranges, as I would call 98s on first barrel and had to decide if I can continue with 98 on turn. Probably I would call turn with 9c8c (26% pf required 30%, so I'd need another like 8bb to get on the river in case I'd hit flush or straight)


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

If you have only one combo of draw your shove is bad: do you want push set here?

However I 3bet pre & gg


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Bujnik22
Joined: 29.05.2010

I think I'd push half of sets and that flush draw. As I eliminated all other flush draws (other hands that might catch one are in 3-bet preflop range), this is the one that remains at this spot.

I think I realised that I have preflop range vs open problem and need to dig into it.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

3b pre-flop.
I like raising this flop. Backdoor nut FD should be good enough but calling is also fine.
As played i wouldn't raise turn. Just call again, if he checks the river, bet. Don't see why we shove here, we have position and a decent draw.


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Hey there , that presentation is amazing btw. I think the first thing to consider when flatting AQ in mp vs utg is the players behind you. The button and blinds you have a propensity to be 3 bet squeeze happy. I feel like an alarm goes off on when they are faced with a raise and a call lol. So, i would keep an eye on them, you can be put in some tough spots. Also, in this spot I prefer a 3 bet pre, its should fold out the middling pairs, suited connectors and some Ax. Hopefully they have a high fold to 3 bet, if not you will get 4 bet by the top of their range which should make any easy decision for you to fold especially if there 4 bet stat is low or 0. The positional dynamic of mp 3 bet vs utg is usually a sign of strength but there is a chance they flat oop and its not the worst case, you have AQs in position and you should get a lot of x/f on the flop from that hand range. The odd time they will have a monster and slow play KK,AA and try to set up a cr on the flop and or some just flat and x-call all streets with over pairs.

In regards to what happened, I like the flop float with 2 overs and a fd. You will get a fair share of x/f on the turn from the middling pair range and if they have some big pairs like 99-KK you have some equity if you turn the A or Q. It doesn't happen though, the turn is the Tc and villain continues to barrel. Villains flop and turn aggression are indicative of strength, its sets of 88,66 and a turned set of TTs with some over pairs playing similar, i don't see villain having too many bluffs here though. Giving the fact we have blockers to AA and QQ is less likely for them to have those hands so their range is capped to mostly to sets here.

Also, i still like your turn shove, it puts a lot of pressure on that range i mentioned. You don't want to end up on the river if you decided to flat the turn with a bag of bricks and get looked up by 77,99 if you don't hit your overs. Fortunately you hit the Ace on the river and you will get a ton of crying x-calls from that range, but that's not the case, villain has the set and you are going to value town or shove town, you will be in a tough spot with a one pair hand. Well played with the shove. NH


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

Very cool presentation, do you do this kind of analysis regularly? I might start doing this as well, it looks smart 😎


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by SamoB25
Very cool presentation, do you do this kind of analysis regularly? I might start doing this as well, it looks smart 😎

Start with Equilab -- free and very very useful equity calculations.
Part of his presentation was made using that.


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Itsnevereasy
Joined: 08.08.2010

You are missing some core concepts. Poker has evolved a lot in the last few years with the rise of solver technology.

You don't need a calling range HJvUTG. Its far too complicated to construct and will barely increase your EV. If you do have a calling range, you need a very complex mixed strategy - you can't just call with AQs everytime and never 3bet it.

Flop: fold. Your hand is too weak, and villain is showing a lot of strength betting this size OOP.
as played Turn: Just call. You dont need bluffs in your range in this spot on NL10._thumbsup:


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