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How to play the nuts on the River

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
These hands are Omaha Hi/Lo

but I think that the question applies across all PL and NL games.

Options:
:diamond:  bet small (or even check) hoping to induce a bluff -- for playing vs aggressive players esp OOP or against passive players that fold to aggression too much.
    Risk:  No bluff, or worse check back
:diamond:  bet big hoping to look bluffy, or to get passive players to call.
    Risk:  Opponent folds
:diamond:  bet really big -- why try for a little when you can get a lot?[1]
    Risk:  Opponent folds, split pot
:diamond:  Others?

Hand #1
Raise the pot vs river bet
Pacific Poker - $0.05 PL Hi/Lo - Omaha Hi/Lo - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 25.8 BB
Hero (CO): 110 BB
BTN: 111.2 BB
SB: 37.2 BB
BB: 69.2 BB
UTG: 60 BB
UTG+1: 11 BB
MP: 162 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T♣:J♥:A♦:K♦:

fold, fold, MP raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.2 BB, fold, SB calls 1.8 BB, fold

Flop: (7.6 BB, 3 players) 2♦:6♥:T♦:
SB checks, MP bets 7.6 BB, Hero calls 7.6 BB, fold

Turn: (22.8 BB, 2 players) Q♥:
MP bets 7.4 BB, Hero calls 7.4 BB

River: (37.6 BB, 2 players) J♣:
MP bets 10.8 BB, Hero raises to 70 BB, fold

Hero wins 56.4 BB
Rake paid 2.8 BB

Hand #2
Pacific Poker - $0.05 PL Hi/Lo - Omaha Hi/Lo - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 23.6 BB
Hero (MP+1): 137 BB
MP+2: 112.8 BB
CO: 24.2 BB
BTN: 57.2 BB
SB: 60 BB
BB: 27.2 BB
UTG: 128.6 BB
UTG+1: 105 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠:A♣:5♣:8♥:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 8♦:8♠:A♦:
BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Turn: (6.4 BB, 2 players) 9♦:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (6.4 BB, 2 players) T♥:
BB bets 6.4 BB, Hero raises to 12.8 BB, BB calls 6.4 BB

Hero shows A♠:A♣:5♣:8♥: (Full House, Aces full of Eights)
(Pre 63%, Flop 74%, Turn 79%)
BB shows K♦:6♦:7♣:T♦: (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 26%, Turn 21%)
Hero wins 30.4 BB
Rake paid 1.6 BB

[1] This is problematic when a split is highly likely, since you both lose to rake


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Probably we want to raise pot in preflop in Hilo also?

In first hand we could play flop or turn perhaps more aggro or is lack of low hand issue? As hi hand it's very potential and villain small turn bet looks pretty weak.

Second hand I would open pot pre, cbet 1.5-2bb, bet turn for half pot and as played raise bigger on river. If villain is ready to call minraise I doubt his call frequency drops that much versus bigger size either. When he pots river it's sign he has hand that he likes which on this board is likely nut flush or better.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
Probably we want to raise pot in preflop in Hilo also?

Definitely true if drawing to the nuts in both pots.
If you have a strong hi-hand you often end up with half the pot and losing to rake.
Better to see what develops.

On this site, folding isn't in their nature.
On PokerStars you can get folds by open-raising pot quite often.

The part that gets me about these two hands in particular is what to do on the river -- however we got there.
I try to base my play on what I know of the players, but often you don't have enough info.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

First hand I would raise smaller for value on the river like 2,5x and 2nd hand you could stack villain off. Villian has only 17,8bb more behind.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

When you have just the high nuts, I would prefer potting rivers if low is possible. You want to create FE against any non-nut low that would split the pot.
When low is not possible, you want to milk as much as you can, and potting just screams "I have the nuts". I am not sure how much river potting is done in hilo with blocker bluffs, but at 5cent stakes I would assume it's not a valid strategy. :)

And before you play any split pot cash games, definitely check the rake rules for splitted pots. If full rake is taken, it's a trap!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
And before you play any split pot cash games, definitely check the rake rules for splitted pots. If full rake is taken, it's a trap!

The rake comes out of the pot before the split, so if you get half, you pay half the rake.
If it is different on some sites, I haven't seen it yet.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

There are sites where split pots have reduced rake. The rake is actually paid at the end of the hand, although it is collected from the pot during the hand.

But small stakes hilo with full rake on splitted pots is a rake trap. Have you every checked how much in bb/100 you are paying?


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