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Cash out option in Pokerstars cash games

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mariussica88
Joined: 07.10.2010

Hello guys, i am playing cash games at NL2 and i want to ask you guys if i should use the cash out option when i'am in an All-in situation? Here is an example of a hand i played, where on the turn i have that option.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

MP: $0.97 (48.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $0.92 (46 bb)
BTN: $2.48 (124 bb)
SB: $2.60 (130 bb)
BB: $4.67 (233.5 bb)
UTG: $3.89 (194.5 bb)
UTG+1: $1.34 (67 bb)

SB posts $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T♣: A♠:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17, 2 players) A♥: Q♥: 8♠:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.11, BB calls $0.11

Turn: ($0.39, 2 players) 8♦:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.21, BB raises to $0.61, Hero raises to $0.73 and is all-in, BB calls $0.12

River: ($1.85, 2 players) 6♥:

Spoiler

Results: $1.85 pot ($0.06 rake)
Final Board: A♥: Q♥: 8♠: 8♦: 6♥:

BB shows 8♣: K♠:: (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 34%, Flop 18%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows T♣: A♠:: (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 66%, Flop 82%, Turn 5%)

BB wins $1.79

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I have used it -- but I wouldn't use it here.

If I am all in either ahead or behind with between 40% to 60% equity, I'll use it just to cut down variance a bit.
If I'm ahead with between 60% to 80% I might use it if the stack sizes are large.
Over 90% I never use it.
Less than 40% I haven't used it yet, since you're not getting much back, and you miss out on any chance to suck out

Cheers,
VS


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FriskyArt
Joined: 27.10.2009

Just like running it twice I have this turned off so I never use it. I don't want to give up value when I'm ahead and when I'm behind well there's just not much to gain. In the long term it probably doesn't make much of a difference so it comes down to personal preference I believe.


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Matkalaulu
Joined: 03.01.2022

If you are bankrolled for the games you play you should never pay site to reduce variance. It makes a hude dent in your profit to use that on a reg basis. If you are scared money then just rit if possible.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I do use the cashout option but only rarely.
The time I use this is when the pot is very large and I'm ahead but between 70 and 80 percent.

But in general, yeah it seems like a cash grab


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

Cash-out is +EV for gamesite, they have extra "rake" for them.
So than it is -EV for players in long term.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Vampiir142
Cash-out is +EV for gamesite, they have extra "rake" for tham.
So than it is -EV for players in long term.

Quite correct.
I think of it like a hedge fund investment.
You won't make as much as if you invested directly, the hedge fund managers take a bundle of the profits for themselves, but you lose less (if you lose)


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

You loose less, if you go all-in and your cards are not so strong or you have bad luck and you will pay some money to site for it.
But on otherside you win less although your cards are good for all-in and you will pay to site for it too.

Still some extra moeny goes from players to pokersite.


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