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Monster draw on 3-way flop

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NotFromHere
Joined: 13.12.2021

MP+1: 100bb
MP+2: 264.5bb
BU: 114.5bb (Hero)
BB: 69bb
(unmentioned players all fold pre-flop)

Pre-Flop: (1.5bb) Hero is BU with A♠:9♠:
MP+1 calls 1bb, MP+2 raises to 2bb, Hero calls 2bb, BB calls 1bb, MP+1 calls 1bb

Flop: (8.5bb) T♠:8♦:7♠:
MP+1 bets 8bb, MP+2 calls 8bb, Hero raises to 22bb, BB folds, MP+1 re-raises to 64bb, MP+2 4-bets All-In, Hero calls, MP+1 calls

Turn: 5♦:

River: 2♥:

Total pot: main pot = 292bb, side pot = 28bb

Spoiler

Showdown:
MP+1 shows T♥:7♥: two pair (wins 292bb)
MP+2 shows 8♠:6♠: one pair (wins 28bb)
Hero mucks A♠:9♠: high card

All opponents were unknown.

I consider min-raises pre-flop basically as normal limps - unless I have a specific read on that player - so I call with A♠:9♠: because I have position and a hand with good playability post-flop.

I hit the flop pretty hard with the nut flush draw and also the nut straight draw. I also block a possible straight flush with the 9♠:. The pre-flop limper bets into the aggressor with a pot sized bet. The aggressor calls and then it's my turn. Though I don't have a made hand yet, my chances of making the nuts are very good. Even if we discount the 8♠: for a possible full house and (conservatively) maybe 2 more spades that might be with the other players, I still have at least 12 outs and a good chance on getting paid if I hit one of them. That's why I raise on the flop instead of calling, to build the pot for max profit and because a Spade or :Jx: / :6x: on the turn could kill the action.

The question is: Should I play the Flop like this or is it better to just call the initial bet and try to improve?

Also, how would you play MP+1's hand post flop on that board?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi NotFromHere,
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com :welcome:

I think you played this hand properly. Too many outs to fold at that point.

Just out of curiosity, if you're Hi NotFromHere, where are you from? :coolface:
Why not take a moment to introduce yourself? Let us know what games you like and maybe a bit about yourself.

All the best,
VS


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would just raise the flop around 30bb against a 8bb Cbet and call a shove as well.
Another option would be to 3bet pre-flop to like 8bb in position after the limp and the min raise in front of you against 2 unknowns and fold to a 4bet.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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LMcrow
Joined: 15.08.2006

I dont see a reason to reopen the action multiway when we can just call hit our draw and gain max ev, and if we dont hit the draw just fold lose the minimum.

Multiway chances are high someone has a set or twopair or a straight already so you have to discount also some outs.

But thats just my opinion.


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NotFromHere
Joined: 13.12.2021

I agree.

In hindsight a call would probably have been better, especially when you consider, that people likely wouldn't lay down a 2-pair or even a pair (with some outs - as seen with MP+2) on a draw heavy board.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

In situations where you are IP as the cold caller or multi-way you can play a call-only strategy with 100% of your continuing range.

So let's discuss the reasons why raising might be good:
- Fold equity/denying equity: I think 4-way this does not really apply here
- Build the pot in case you make a strong hand: This is also only partly valid because you can still build the pot when your draw completes

So, I think, you can best realize your equity by just calling OTF.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

It doesn't matter if you check, rerise less or more, both opponent will go with you with theyre hands on this board.
You have good draw FL+GS but again MW you have less fold equity and you have stlill only draw.


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