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Deine
Joined: 27.07.2019

Hi,

Villain is a good REG
We both have 100bb
Iam SB with K♠:K♥: and he is BB

Everyvody folds and i bet 2,5 bb
Villain raises to 10
i reraise to 30bb
Villain calls

Flops come 8♦:9♥:T♥:

So, the quiestion is: Is there meaning to shove here for protection ?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I recommend using a hand converter next time.

Now it's tough to read the hand, but with 60bb in the pot and 70bb behind I would go for a Cbet of around 23bb and shove most turns. You are a little bit to deep to shove the flop.

Another option would be to 4bet around 35bb pre-flop and shove the flop. This way you have less than pot size behind.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

From SB litlebit more preflop bet 3-4xbb, he is 3-betting 4x your bet when he is IP, you are OOP so than again bigger 4B.
He is reriseng with bigger sizing than you.
Than you can easilly go check - shove on the flop, you are loosing vs AA or QJs, and he could have FD AhQh AhJh. Who will call big 4B with QJs or AhJh.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

PF: I really hate the 4b size. I would typically make it 22-25bb (usually 22bb)
It makes 4b bluffing really expensive for you and you make it really easy for him to counterplay against your massive 4bet (which is to never flat 4bets and either 5b or fold, which is what people used to do 10-15 years ago)

F: i guess if there's a hand you want to overbet jam, it's definitely this hand
>Fold out hands like AQ = huge win for you (maybe even AJs)
>TX has to stick it in vs you (or it would be idiotic for him to call a hand like AT pre if he folds Top pair)
>You die vs sets anyway
>It's fine to go for max value vs QQ/JJ while you are ahead - board has many action killing cards like T/7/6/A/Q/J that will all force you to be cautious, that's more than 50% of turns

JJ/QQ would not mind betting smaller to get more weaker hands to call or induce light shoves. For example JJ > AJ so if u bet small and get check-shoved you wouldn't mind, his oesd outs don't matter as you have them as well, so he only draws to Ace top pair. Same goes for QQ vs AQ.

AA could shove or bet smaller - AA just has one fewer overcard to worry about so it makes turn playability that much easier.


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