vs uber nit, super sick river, 199.7BB up for grab

Board is bone dry and i doubt QQ is taking this line. 100BB shove, I'm finding a fold. You also block AKc which is the only bluff here.

I would most likely shove pre-flop. Offcourse villain could have AA, but 6 handed I would only play it differently with decent reads on the villain in this hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would most likely shove pre-flop. Offcourse villain could have AA, but 6 handed I would only play it differently with decent reads on the villain in this hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987

As played, I'm just gonna assume that you are not folding on river.

17/13 is an uber-nit?
In fast-fold this is close to optimal

This is deep too — facing a cold 4-Bet I think 5-Bet is the way to go.
At 150 BB deep or less I would shove pre.
6 combos of AA beat us — I don't see 8s or 3s being a large part of a range that would play this way pre-flop.

anyone consider raising the flop or the turn?

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
17/13 is an uber-nit?
In fast-fold this is close to optimal

This is deep too — facing a cold 4-Bet I think 5-Bet is the way to go.
At 150 BB deep or less I would shove pre.
6 combos of AA beat us — I don't see 8s or 3s being a large part of a range that would play this way pre-flop.

anyone consider raising the flop or the turn?

Yes, anyone?

Deep I would play the same and call the river.
I wouldn't raise though.

Originally posted by pokerplayernumber1
Deep I would play the same and call the river.
I wouldn't raise though.

That's exactly right, our range(or KK) is somewhat disguised, so we want him to keep firing.

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Originally posted by pokerplayernumber1
Deep I would play the same and call the river.
I wouldn't raise though.

You can't raise the river. Villain shoves here.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would most likely shove pre-flop. Offcourse villain could have AA, but 6 handed I would only play it differently with decent reads on the villain in this hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987

As played, I'm just gonna assume that you are not folding on river.

Seems alright indeed. Tough for villian to hit this board in a 4bet pot.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
That's exactly right, our range(or KK) is somewhat disguised, so we want him to keep firing.

Disguised? Not really. What are you cold calling to 4bets? Something else than KK+? When I see regular cold calling 4bet then I'm check/folding QQ and I dont think i'm making blunder there

As for hand - I would just click 5bet to 50bb and see how it develops.

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
That's exactly right, our range(or KK) is somewhat disguised, so we want him to keep firing.

Disguised? Not really. What are you cold calling to 4bets? Something else than KK+? When I see regular cold calling 4bet then I'm check/folding QQ and I dont think i'm making blunder there

As for hand - I would just click 5bet to 50bb and see how it develops.

I've seen this one hand at NL100 Zoom, quite similar, 4bet pot, basically the same action, except at 250BBESS, on a flat board like mine, the guy barreled off w/ AQo and the other dude called it off w/ AKs, and the AK high won. lol

In deep stack situations, 4bet flatting range becomes a bit wider, imo. Where I could realistically have range like JJ/TT/99.

A 50bb 5bet looks extremely suspicious with the current stack dynamic. Shoving looks weaker and you invest more than 1/3 of your stack with 5 betting.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
In deep stack situations, 4bet flatting range becomes a bit wider, imo. Where I could realistically have range like JJ/TT/99.

According to GTOWizard you should cold call @ 200bb deep 7,5% QQ, 3,5% JJ and 1% on less on other pockets for nl500 rake. On nl50 rake 4% QQ, 1,5% JJ. That is plan against GTO reg, not uber nit who is almost certainly not cold 4betting enough. In theory you may develop calling range but in practice its impossible to do it correctly.

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
In deep stack situations, 4bet flatting range becomes a bit wider, imo. Where I could realistically have range like JJ/TT/99.

According to GTOWizard you should cold call @ 200bb deep 7,5% QQ, 3,5% JJ and 1% on less on other pockets for nl500 rake. On nl50 rake 4% QQ, 1,5% JJ. That is plan against GTO reg, not uber nit who is almost certainly not cold 4betting enough. In theory you may develop calling range but in practice its impossible to do it correctly.

Hey, thanks for solving it. I don't have the deep version so that's enlightening. I wonder if the villain knew that, and was actually trying to fold out KK on river. That's interesting.

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by pokerplayernumber1
Deep I would play the same and call the river.
I wouldn't raise though.

You can't raise the river. Villain shoves here.

Cheers,
SDK1987

No, the question he is alluding to was asked by VorpalF2F, and the question was if we should raise on flop or turn.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
Hey, thanks for solving it. I don't have the deep version so that's enlightening. I wonder if the villain knew that, and was actually trying to fold out KK on river. That's interesting.

More likely he was randomly clicking buttons. Trying to fold strong overpair postflop will never print money.

Preflop go all-in or 5B to 65bb.
River not fold, call it. If he had AA, why would not check - rise you?