PLO100 KJT4ds resteal from SB

I fold turn because some outs have to be discounted due to diamond backdoors

e: did not saw turned bottom2 but vs nit might still be a fold. vs LAG might have another x/c but bottom two not really better SDV than toppair

Hand is too weak for turn x/r: you need around 40% to stackoff I dont see that when nit bets big OTT

To me flop bet-fold for half pot would feel better. This is quite awkward hand to x-c imo. Maybe with two bd fd I would x-c. As played I would just x-f turn.

my thoughts was also to cbet flop and check fold turn as played.
and i think its still kinda the best because if the tight player/plo100 fast fold reg double barrels the low card, its getting borderline and because the flush draw could take away outs, i think c/f is still the most solid option. the flop would been also better for your range and if he bets flop, instead of taking a freecard, on which he could improve or barrell you off later and continues betting the turn i think we would have to give him credit here.

i was check it also yesterday with monker and equitytool. when we say it would been KJT7 then the turn would be check call with two pairs and also your equity vs the range should been quite good. but i think for that points your range has to be pretty exact otherwise you still just will get valuetowned playing a "too wide" vs a solid range.

I agree with you guys that flop bet-folding is probably better..

I just analyzed the spot with solver. It is interesting Solver is splitting its range into 1/3 and full pot only so if you guys would bet half pot otf I guess betting 1/3 is the way to go but guess what..

Solver is potting more often than betting small with this particular hand.. and I guess we should not fold anymore unless a rolls off. The thing is, as BradNitt mentioned, at PLO100 regulars are ridiculously tight straightforward postflop so I guess we still might have to fold after the turn-card is also bad for us. It´s always a tough one with those bottom 2pairs. No folding preflop obv but this one was ugly since we were dominated hard by the non-gapped rundown.

hm, in trainer its betting 1/2 and full on QJ7rb as well QJ2, what i took yesterday

Originally posted by BradNitt
hm, in trainer its betting 1/2 and full on QJ7rb as well QJ2, what i took yesterday

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Did you make it a 3-way otf?

Its HU pot according to op hh. Trainer uses 1/2 pot and pot on those around SPR 3.5 3bet pots on unpaired non straight/monotone flops at least. Might not be ideal on every spot but likely good simplification.

why 3 way? just recognized it later that you had a 3 way sim there.^^
but for 3 way looks like same 1/2 and pot by each player. thought the difference 3 way could be that maybe the ip players stab 1/3 or bet pot if the initial 3bettor checks

Thank you for putting up the 3way sim as well. It´s interesting that software use different sizings? I cannot manipulate the flop and turn sizings at PLO Vision, it is automatically betting 1/3 in the 3way spot.

Sry I must have confused sth. here... I simulated it again HU this time. I also used that QJ2 flop, he is betting half pot 43% and pot 5% but also checking KJTx over 50% of the time so I guess my check is fine. He is also specifically checking the BDFD version I have around 60% so I cannot see any pattern here which one he would check and which one he bets. I have no randomizers yet, I will need sth like that in future to make a human play that is balanced.

For the turn since solver is holding no KJT4 in this situation I made it a 7 ott instead, which solver is check-raising over 90%. Pretty loose from my perspective but consequently my play cannot be that bad.

i think yes and no
if your hand would been KJT7 then its ok or if you play vs players who dont have solid ranges, your equity range vs range, hand vs range wont be that bad. nvmd

but the danger is in heaving a too wide 3betting range then you create in solid enviroments bad spots way too frequently for you and as these hands look like fit well for making the pot big already preflop i think this can have quite huge negative potential