PLO50 QQT8ss flopping quads in 5way pot

replace 1/3 & 1/4 with 1/2 & 3/4

think if i would want donk flop then also just like 1/3. fds probably dont stab but could call, some straight draws. also maybe some pairs in hope to improve.
if i want to donk depends on the aggressiveness of the table. as described here sounding more passive and stationy, i would bet i think.
if it would be limped pot somehow, we flop quads like 887 and the board is that drawy and connected, i would always just bet of course to build a pot.

Yes betting 1/3 otf is the standard sizing. As a default I bet half-pot 4way since I basically have no bluffs anymore but since we really want bad players to come along I still would go for 1/3 pot to keep them in with reverse implieds.

I agree with your turn thoughts and think 1/2pot is quite optimum in regard of having a compromise of pot-building and disguising our hand-strength. If the river is a blank I would bet small again and hope for a fullhouse to come over the top. On a completed draw we might get a more widened call so I would bet 1/2-2/3 pot.

Problem with quads is the lack of action, unless it's a cooler. Most of the times you hope to get 1 street value. I think the standard line is to check flop, bet half on the turn. Flop donk might work versus bad players, but if you donk that flop in multiway and then bet turn, it looks really strong. Quite often you get that small flop bet as value. By checking there is a chance that someone overplays his hand on the flop and starts to become mentally attached to his hand. Or if it's checked, your turn stab should be called with quite wide range. And once they call turn with a draw, it's harder to fold that if they hit it on the river.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Problem with quads is the lack of action, unless it's a cooler. Most of the times you hope to get 1 street value. I think the standard line is to check flop, bet half on the turn. Flop donk might work versus bad players, but if you donk that flop in multiway and then bet turn, it looks really strong.

But those players are not aware of handstrength / amount of player realtion nor handranges. They will call their Flushdraw, Straightdraw etc. anyways and the more players with that mindset the more likely it is someone will call, and once they call they are probably going go call another bet and potentially payy off bigger if they complete a strong hand. They have that curiosity wanting to see the next card, that is their motivation to stick around. As many bad players are more willingly to call but check-back when it gets check to them, it is better to build the pot ourself imo. Ik it is highly exploitative but it works at least up to PLO50. I think at PLO100 bad players are usually not that callhappy anymore.

Hero is blocking draws too.

Of course if there are known bad players, our default strategy should be adjusted. Here we have one known call-happy and two unknowns.

In the end it's just probabilities and the average amount of value between small donk and flop check.

Stabs in general look a lot weaker than barrels in multiway pots. 4way if hero bets flop and barrels turn, it should force fold to most naked draws and weak hands, giving then only the flop small bet as value. Turn stab after flop checks look less threatening, and should get calls from wider ranges than turn barrel after flop donk.

Of course there are players and hands that would give more value if we donk the flop. But there are players and hands that give more value with flop check and turn stab. No one knows for certain, it's again about the estimations vs unknown opponents.

In the end it's most likely quite the same for our overall winrate how to play quads in multiway pots whether we donk small on the flop or stab half a pot on the turn if flop goes checked.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Hero is blocking draws too.

Of course if there are known bad players, our default strategy should be adjusted. Here we have one known call-happy and two unknowns.

In the end it's just probabilities and the average amount of value between small donk and flop check.

Stabs in general look a lot weaker than barrels in multiway pots. 4way if hero bets flop and barrels turn, it should force fold to most naked draws and weak hands, giving then only the flop small bet as value. Turn stab after flop checks look less threatening, and should get calls from wider ranges than turn barrel after flop donk.

Of course there are players and hands that would give more value if we donk the flop. But there are players and hands that give more value with flop check and turn stab. No one knows for certain, it's again about the estimations vs unknown opponents.

In the end it's most likely quite the same for our overall winrate how to play quads in multiway pots whether we donk small on the flop or stab half a pot on the turn if flop goes checked.

Yes. EV probably highly dependant on players.. or better said, often highly dependant on the mood of players in specific situations.