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Flush vs shove on the river

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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
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BergyB1976 (UTG): $29.50 (118 bb)
Istorikas (MP): $26.10 (104 bb)
OveTheMan (CO): $29.27 (117 bb)
misteralex93 (BU): $25.93 (104 bb)
legendarym4x (SB): $28.22 (113 bb)
fie$$$ta (BB): $51.15 (205 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero (misteralex93) is BTN with 5 8
BergyB1976 (UTG) raises to $0.62, 2 players fold, misteralex93 (BU) calls $0.62, 1 fold, fie$$$ta (BB) calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.96) 4 7 J (3 players)
fie$$$ta (BB) checks, BergyB1976 (UTG) checks, misteralex93 (BU) bets $1.18, fie$$$ta (BB) raises to $3.54, BergyB1976 (UTG) folds, misteralex93 (BU) calls $2.36

Turn: ($9.04) 4 (2 players)
fie$$$ta (BB) bets $4.49, misteralex93 (BU) calls $4.49

River: ($18.02) 8 (2 players)
fie$$$ta (BB) bets $23.41, misteralex93 (BU) calls $17.28 (all-in)

Total pot: $52.58 (Rake: $2)

Pre flop call is a bit lose but I do enjoy suited (and somewhat connected) hands IP ✌️

BB is a ref but no info, I just recognise the name. When he shoves the river for pot, in hindsight I feel like I essentially have a bluff catcher with his line. Unlikely he has a lower flush tbh.

If he checks the river, I think I can shove for value, but I think I’m usually beat here most of the time when he shoves.

Spoiler

Showdown:
fie$$$ta (BB) shows 7 7 (a full house, Sevens full of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 66%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

misteralex93 (BU) shows 5 8 (a flush, Jack high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 34%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

fie$$$ta (BB) wins $50.58


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop seems like a easy fold against a UTG open with a weak suited hand. Even in position.

As played I would check the flop multi way. It's tough to get 2 villains to fold and if you face a check/raise you get in a tricky spot. Now you need to call the flush draw, but if you miss you need to fold the turn and even if you hit the flush you could be drawing dead.

Turn you hit your draw, but now you could be dominated or against a full house. Only approach is calling and re-evaluate the river.

River is a blank, but against a over bet shove you are most likely beat. Read less I would fold.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Thanks SDK, couldn’t agree more with your thoughts. In hindsight, I would have taken your suggested line!


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

reminds me that Pete Clarke says call-only strategy vs cbet is a good idea when:
- in position as cold caller
- multi way

I think we should hold back with our bluffs until the villains cap themselves.
so if we just call, we can still bloat the pot when we bink, or sometimes bluff when villains show weaknes


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

In this case hero takes over the aggression on the flop and faced a check/raise of the BB. I would expect villain would do that with a narrow range of 2 pair and better and sometimes with a better flush draw.

That makes calling flop already marginal I think.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Yeah good point SDK. I think a check behind is better and as played I could even fold the combo draw on the flop or turn.

Monte, I think you may have it backwards as I got raised on the flop


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Fold preflop, flop is imo fine but on turn I would heavily think of folding. As played river is easy fold. Why I dont mind flop bet is that its quite nice when we take pot down with stab and hand is fairly strong with fd and gs. Turn is not great as BB x-r range has some sets and if he is raising with top pair or J7 there is decent chance he would slowdown on turn.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Thanks G, appreciate the feedback bro


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Totally agree with the preflop fold. This is too wide to call.
As played, with FH and better flushes possible, I can fold the river.


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