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KK dream board (not) after PF action

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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Please tell me it is an easy fold and I am not folding too easy because of a sick session.
I can't see KK holding against anything.

PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB
MP: 105 BB 47/6/2 - 3bet: 3
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 116.5 BB
SB: 137 BB
BB: 100.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ K♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, MP raises to 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 12.5 BB

Flop: (43.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠ A♥ 4♣
MP checks, Hero bets 13 BB, MP raises to 26 BB, fold

Spoiler

MP wins 66 BB


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anduke
Joined: 26.11.2007

If you don't have any history of Villain bluffing in these spots then a fold is probably the best option in my opinion.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

I have some history against villain. He pays with very marginal hands PF and can get to showdown with weak hands. Very exploitable, but mostly exploitable when I am attacking, not when he is.

The thing is the PF play, with his low 3bet and cold calling my 4bet, I kind of put him QQ+, AK and those hands are very likely to play Flop as he did.

Main concern is that I was being so beaten, in that session, that I was afraid I was overfolding and need some confirmation I was not biased by session.

Ty for your oppinion. It may look like a standard play, but it is important for me to know I may not be wrong (we won't know).


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Really tricky spot on a ace high flop, but after the min raise you should be beat against at least top pair. Against weaker players I wouldn't mind to 4bet 3x in position.

You could also check behind the flop to control the pot in position. It will be tough to get value or a better hand to fold.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

I’d check back the flop for pot control personally.


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EnriqueBunbury
Joined: 20.05.2010

Hello,
I don't like to cbet on that dry flop, you even block KJs-KTs. I think you isolate yourself against his ATs+, AJo+ and QQ.
There is no worse hand that will pay you on that flop.
Chbh and reassess the following streets, being IP it's even easier for you to get to SD just by paying a donk.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

I get the Chbh line. But it would imply fold turn for any 15/20bbs, right? Or targeting showdown, let's say 20bbs OTT and 25bbs OTR?
My bet was basically a bet/fold flop, or if he didn't raise, a chbh turn and maybe cry call river for "low price". Guess I needed his action OTF to access the position of my hand


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EnriqueBunbury
Joined: 20.05.2010

On the turn he would pay up to 50%-60% of the maximum pot he could make with his full range and I don't expect him to keep betting worse on the river, these types of villains play pretty honest.
Even if the hand is played check-check check-check on the river we can thin value bet to 1/3 for it to pay some Qx or spp.


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