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QQ BTN vs SB 3bet range

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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 142.5 BB : 1k hands 28/21/2 - Extra 3 bet blind vs steal (SB) - 8%, FCBet - 60%, but 100% in 3bet pot
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 138.5 BB
CO: 68 BB
Hero (BTN): 130.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

I can argue about the call to keep his range on, but "mehhh"

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) J♣ 4♠ T♠
SB bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB, SB calls 18 BB

Kind of a good flop. His CBet is standard, but with no A, K on the board, I think my raise is good.
With his call, I think I place him 77+, maybe AJ, AsTs+, KQ+.

Turn: (73 BB, 2 players) 5♣
SB checks, Hero bets 28 BB, SB calls 28 BB

I think I need to protect my hand and this betsize won't do it. When he calls, I keep his range.

River: (129 BB, 2 players) 3♣
SB checks, Hero bets 66.5 BB and is all-in, fold

I thought about chbh here, but I on the range I placed him, I think he could call 88+, AJ and I loose against AA, KK.

Spoiler

Hero wins 122.5 BB

I am not sure I like how I played this, despite the result.
I may be extracting on mid pocket pairs, but that's all. Against AA, KK I loose all the same and am only giving AK a chance to hit the board, and not sure I'll fold easily.
This was a big mistake, that I got away profiting, right?

Extra: Would it be correct to play like this (what really happened) with 88/99?

Thank you.


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EnriqueBunbury
Joined: 20.05.2010

Hello,

I don't see any harm in just calling the 3bet going deep, because his 3bet range will be tighter and I don't think he'll push JJ or AK against a 4bet.

Assuming I don't want to play 130bb with QQ, I would only call on the flop and probably play cold call as well as dependent turn and reevaluate river.
On that flop raising you isolate yourself with set and KK+ which I doubt will fold over pair; He should though because in your range he has JTs, TTs and JJs, maybe 44s and FD+straight combinations.

Edit: We have backdoor equity and position


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

That's the thing: I think I changed strategy OTF, with my raise


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would most of the time 4bet to get it in with QQ in a BTN against SB dynamic.
Off course villian could have better, but I expect villian could stack of with AK and JJ as well, but 130bb effective is indeed a lot.
If you just call I don't see a point in raising. With raising flop you get only action of flush draws and better hands.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

I appreciate a lot your insights. Ty.

Extra context to this hand:
I think I am playing for stack too often and think it is something I need to correct.
I am still playing a lot of NL2 to try to adapt my game to some leaks I think I have and this is one. I don't want to get in NL5 and simultaneously trying to adapt to a new stake, new opponents and playing in a dynamic I am trying to change.

So, when I came to this hand, I tried to play it "with new rules", but OTF i couldn't control myself and make a mess of this hand.
The outcome was good, often it would pass as a standard hand, but overall I was not happy with how I played it and decided to confirm with you it was wrong.

Thank you a lot. This has been very helpful.
Sorry if a lot of the hands I post here are straight forward, but I figure out simple hands are the first ones that need to be played correctly


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FriskyArt
Joined: 27.10.2009

4-betting with QQ pre vs a reg from any position results in pickup up dead money or getting 5-bet shove from KK or AA, rarely AK which is still a flip. At least that's what I'm getting from my stats. So I'm a big fan of calling most certainly against reasonable tight regs.

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would most of the time 4bet to get it in with QQ in a BTN against SB dynamic.
Off course villian could have better, but I expect villian could stack of with AK and JJ as well, but 130bb effective is indeed a lot.

But we never 4-bet QQ from any position vs a LJ or HJ right?

Originally posted by SDK1987
If you just call I don't see a point in raising. With raising flop you get only action of flush draws and better hands.

We have a premium hand on a wet board so my initial thought was also to raise both for value and protection here. But you are right, we put ourselves in a difficult position if a bad card comes.

Originally posted by EnriqueBunbury

Edit: We have backdoor equity

QQ?


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