Ace King - Fist Pump or Face Punch - Discussions

I'll keep my eye open for AK situations.
To answer the title question, though, it depends on position, who is in that position, and how many in the hand.

For example:
A tight UTG and you're behind
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    50.79%  44.28%   6.51% { 66+, AJs+, AQo+ }
BU     49.21%  42.70%   6.51% { AKs, AKo }

A loose SB and you're ahead:
       Equity     Win     Tie
BU     64.19%  62.58%   1.61% { AKs, AKo }
SB     35.81%  34.20%   1.61% { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }

Elsewhere we talked about SplitSuit's videos, and I found this
Note that I am not recommending it, since I've never read it — or even looked at it — but it fits the topic...

https://www.splitsuit.com/ace-king-poker-book

I just noticed that the second author is none other than "W34Z3L" who is — or was — a PokerStrategy.com coach. I might even get myself a copy.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Look What I Found

Elsewhere we talked about SplitSuit's videos, and I found this
Note that I am not recommending it, since I've never read it — or even looked at it — but it fits the topic...

https://www.splitsuit.com/ace-king-poker-book

I just noticed that the second author is none other than "W34Z3L" who is — or was — a PokerStrategy.com coach. I might even get myself a copy.

Yes I've seen this at the end of some of his videos, I like that someone has actually tackled the subject, because AK really falls into the love it or hate it category.

This hand surprised me when it went down. UTG was playing 19/8 and CO was playing 13/8 both over 39 hands and BB 48/6 over 31 hands, small sample I know. GGPs hud stats don't seem to match up with HEMs, at the time both UTG and CO were shown as much tighter.

Anyone else push in this spot?

GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: $2.00 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.63 (131.5 bb)
CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BTN: $2.27 (113.5 bb)
SB: $3.52 (176 bb)
BB: $1.99 (99.5 bb)

SB posts $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 3♠: 3♥:
UTG raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, CO raises to $0.18, fold, SB calls $0.17, BB calls $0.16, UTG raises to $2.00 and is all-in, Hero folds, 2 folds, BB calls $1.81 and is all-in

Flop: ($4.40, 2 players) 4♠: T♥: J♦:

Turn: ($4.40, 2 players) 9♣:

River: ($4.40, 2 players) Q♣:

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: ($4.40, 2 players) 9♠: 2♣: T♠:

Turn #2: ($4.40, 2 players) 7♥:

River #2: ($4.40, 2 players) K♦:

Results: $4.40 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 4♠: T♥: J♦: 9♣: Q♣: 9♠: 2♣: T♠: 7♥: K♦:

UTG shows K♥: A♣:: (Straight, Ace High)
Board #1 : (Pre 74%, Flop 29%, Turn 17%)
(One Pair, Kings)
Board #2 : (Pre 79%, Flop 85%, Turn 84%)

BB shows A♥: J♣:: (One Pair, Jacks)
Board #1 : (Pre 26%, Flop 71%, Turn 83%)
(High Card, Ace)
Board #2 : (Pre 21%, Flop 15%, Turn 16%)

UTG wins $2.09

Originally posted by jiffybag
This hand surprised me when it went down. UTG was playing 19/8 and CO was playing 13/8 both over 39 hands and BB 48/6 over 31 hands, small sample I know. GGPs hud stats don't seem to match up with HEMs, at the time both UTG and CO were shown as much tighter.

Anyone else push in this spot?

GGPoker shows you stats of the player — even including hands where you did not see the player. HEM cannot. Even so, I take GGPoker's "HUD" with a grain or two of salt.

I think 4Bet ISO shoving w/ AK is well within the standard playbook

I never know what to do when I miss OOP. With the flop this low, higher pp like 88-JJ won't fold. So, I am only targeting villains over cards like mine. Always cbet flop or sometimes check and cbet turn on "safe card". 6 seems safe right as villain won't have 66 or 67s here and only cards with a spade will continue, what's ahead of me should raise or just call to keep my bluffs in?

Villain plays 19/11 and I have marked as a "nit fish"

GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: $0.50 (25 bb)
BTN: $2.47 (123.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.28 (114 bb)
BB: $3.35 (167.5 bb)
UTG: $2.14 (107 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts $0.02, CO posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.05) Hero has A♦: K♥:
fold, CO checks, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.32, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.68, 2 players) 2♠: 4♠: 2♦:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.68, 2 players) 6♠:
Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

River: ($1.20, 2 players) 5♥:
Hero?

Originally posted by jiffybag

Spoiler

I never know what to do when I miss OOP. With the flop this low, higher pp like 88-JJ won't fold. So, I am only targeting villains over cards like mine. Always cbet flop or sometimes check and cbet turn on "safe card". 6 seems safe right as villain won't have 66 or 67s here and only cards with a spade will continue, what's ahead of me should raise or just call to keep my bluffs in?

Villain plays 19/11 and I have marked as a "nit fish"

GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: $0.50 (25 bb)
BTN: $2.47 (123.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.28 (114 bb)
BB: $3.35 (167.5 bb)
UTG: $2.14 (107 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts $0.02, CO posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.05) Hero has A♦: K♥:
fold, CO checks, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.32, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.68, 2 players) 2♠: 4♠: 2♦:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.68, 2 players) 6♠:
Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

River: ($1.20, 2 players) 5♥:
Hero?

I will abstract the range vs range equation, as I think that's a "no man's flop" and it is NL2.

Is villain multi-tabling?
If he isn't, villains with that VPIP find it hard to fold any hand. As they play few hands, they like to play them all the way.
Also, if he is multitabling, the likelywood of him clicking is higher and he can fold more often to a 1/2 - 3/4 FCbet, as he could be playing a pocket on set-minning and playing fit/fold.

Is villain likely to be aware of how you play?
Relates with the above, but also includes possibility that he's also using a HUD.
If villain can be aware of your CBet patterns, you may want to act accordingly.

Do you have villain fold stats in your HUD?
If he has high fold to FCbet, is a bet, if he floats regularly, give it away.

Is villain capable of betting worst hands?
If he doesn't bluff, just check it down/fold, as you'r ahead of his broadways (about half his call range).

P.S. There's no check flop and bet turn on that board, imo. Either Cbet flop and check after. Or check flop and fold to all non A/K cards, at most, bet some Q or J, but not on a card out of your range, specially 3rd suited. Is transparent it didn't improve your hand.

Fresh contribution...

PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 32.6 BB
UTG: 114.4 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 44.6 BB
SB: 111.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ A♥

fold, Hero raises to 3.9 BB, BTN raises to 6.8 BB, fold, BB calls 5.8 BB, Hero raises to 43 BB, BTN raises to 44.6 BB and is all-in, BB calls 25.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (122.3 BB, 3 players) 9♠ 7♦ K♠

Turn: (122.3 BB, 3 players) 5♥

River: (122.3 BB, 3 players) A♠

Oh boy. I'll be a great costumer for this thread...

This in a table:

This, simulataneously in other:

But this one is the best of today (so far):

No I will not run it twice

GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: $3.39 (169.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.17 (108.5 bb)
UTG: $2.37 (118.5 bb)
MP: $2.81 (140.5 bb)
CO: $1.62 (81 bb)
BTN: $0.34 (17 bb)

SB posts $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A♣: K♣:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.34 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $0.32

Flop: ($0.69, 2 players) J♠: Q♣: 6♠:

Turn: ($0.69, 2 players) 2♠:

River: ($0.69, 2 players) 4♠:

Results: $0.69 pot ($0.03 rake)
Final Board: J♠: Q♣: 6♠: 2♠: 4♠:

BTN shows Q♠: K♠:: (Flush, King High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 80%, Turn 100%)

Hero shows A♣: K♣:: (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 71%, Flop 20%, Turn 0%)

BTN wins $0.64

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Look What I Found

Elsewhere we talked about SplitSuit's videos, and I found this
Note that I am not recommending it, since I've never read it — or even looked at it — but it fits the topic...

https://www.splitsuit.com/ace-king-poker-book

I just noticed that the second author is none other than "W34Z3L" who is — or was — a PokerStrategy.com coach. I might even get myself a copy.

Did you, or someone else here for that matter, get a copy? Is it worth it?

Originally posted by FriskyArt
Did you, or someone else here for that matter, get a copy? Is it worth it?

I did not.
I would guess that the content is reflected in W34z3l's existing content — check out the =en&content_type=0&game_type=0&table_size=0"]video section (filtered)

Guess this post was missing me...
All this in last 3 days...

OffSuit runs for 2 flushes, sadly we were both, but only villain ran

The problem is my internet connection. I am playing the turn and they already know the river...

...or I am playing the flop and they already know the turn

Also applies pre flop...

So, you know, GS+Backdoor, against me, is nutzzz

But, is all good...