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33 on BB vs SB, SRP, facing river shove on FDC

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 122.56 BB
SB: 133.64 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 217.32 BB
CO: 247.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3♠ 3♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.2 BB, Hero calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 8♣ K♠
SB checks, Hero bets 1.56 BB, SB calls 1.56 BB

Turn: (7.52 BB, 2 players) A♣
SB checks, Hero bets 2.64 BB, SB raises to 15.04 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

River: (37.6 BB, 2 players) Q♠
SB bets 114.84 BB and is all-in, Hero ? ?

The villain is a tag.

Thoughts?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Flop bet seems smaller than your usual.
I'm folding this river, and I might even have folded to the c/r OTT


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

@Vorpal, no one will fold OTT here.. But you..This will be a huge mistake. Really "huge" one..You should play PLO or something...Try OFCP..It's very "relaxing". You can see his cards, it's "open face" poker..Like this game "Rummy" or "Gin". You still can beat the rake..


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
@Vorpal, no one will fold OTT here.. But you..This will be a huge mistake. Really "huge" one..You should play PLO or something...Try OFCP..It's very "relaxing". You can see his cards, it's "open face" poker..Like this game "Rummy" or "Gin". You still can beat the rake..

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Flop bet seems smaller than your usual.
I'm folding this river, and I might even have folded to the c/r OTT

I'm gonna explain why it's smaller later.


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

I would bet bigger on turn as ace connects better with his range.
As for river - in vacuum(without reads on opponent) without blocker I'm not calling 220% overbet shove.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Flop bet seems smaller than your usual.
I'm folding this river, and I might even have folded to the c/r OTT

I'm gonna explain why it's smaller later.

Your turn bet is smaller as well?

I expect a bet if V had a K or FD or Ah. Looks like 8x with a club maybe 99. To me it looks like V can't win at showdown vs Heros Kx or Ax. I don't know, but I must know!!!


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

If you must know.

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GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 122.56 BB
SB: 133.64 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 217.32 BB
CO: 247.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3♠ 3♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.2 BB, Hero calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 8♣ K♠
SB checks, Hero bets 1.56 BB, SB calls 1.56 BB

Turn: (7.52 BB, 2 players) A♣
SB checks, Hero bets 2.64 BB, SB raises to 15.04 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

River: (37.6 BB, 2 players) Q♠
SB bets 114.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 81.2 BB and is all-in

SB shows K♣ 9♦ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 48%, Flop 6%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows 3♠ 3♦ (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 94%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 195.52 BB
I was betting small on flop and turn to induce some kind of spew so I MUST call down even if it's just a bad timing. The villain gave me the "You Suck" Emoji at the end as if to say "I bluffed an idiot".

Solver folds on river 100% guys. Don't make this call like I did. Please, I beg of you.

Edit: added image


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
@Vorpal, no one will fold OTT here.. But you..This will be a huge mistake. Really "huge" one..You should play PLO or something...Try OFCP..It's very "relaxing". You can see his cards, it's "open face" poker..Like this game "Rummy" or "Gin". You still can beat the rake..

Note the "might even have" whether I did or not would depend on what stats or notes I have on the player.
Also note that I made the correct suggestion regarding the river.
I make no secret of the fact that I'm not a hold'em expert — I'm here to learn and improve along with everyone else.

You can make your point without trying to be insulting. I really don't care myself, however the purpose of the forums is to create a mutually supportive environment.
I suggest you have a look at our forum principles


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Did I offend you? I didn't mean it..But the problem is your, mate...In another topic you said "I prefer fold" with set OTF vs 1/3 Cbet...Those mistakes are "huge"...And obv no one will say this to you. Like me...You just suck, mate..That's the truth. That doesn't mean you are dumb, I believe in the opposite. You are just bored from the game. And this game is boring, only limit Holdem em is worse...NL Hold em is popular because of other things, not because the game is "interesting". Many players switch the format time to time because they are bored. NL Holdem is the most profitable format, if we talk about $/hour. Well, usually..But you don't care for the win rate. You are bored, you can't learn the game because of that. Try something else...We can talk , I, you and some other players. We can support you..Why this must be a bad thing? Enjoy your life , mate..
You can ban me, delete my post, whatever, I don't care..


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by NoNameHypo
Did I offend you?

You did not, although you certainly seemed to be trying hard to do so.

Remember that whatever you post here tells everyone more about you than it does about your topic.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
If you must know.

Spoiler

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 122.56 BB
SB: 133.64 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 217.32 BB
CO: 247.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3♠ 3♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.2 BB, Hero calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 8♣ K♠
SB checks, Hero bets 1.56 BB, SB calls 1.56 BB

Turn: (7.52 BB, 2 players) A♣
SB checks, Hero bets 2.64 BB, SB raises to 15.04 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

River: (37.6 BB, 2 players) Q♠
SB bets 114.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 81.2 BB and is all-in

SB shows K♣ 9♦ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 48%, Flop 6%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows 3♠ 3♦ (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 94%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 195.52 BB
I was betting small on flop and turn to induce some kind of spew so I MUST call down even if it's just a bad timing. The villain gave me the "You Suck" Emoji at the end as if to say "I bluffed an idiot".

Solver folds on river 100% guys. Don't make this call like I did. Please, I beg of you.

Edit: added image

I was super wrong, but it makes sense checking the Kc.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 122.56 BB
SB: 133.64 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 217.32 BB
CO: 247.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3♠ 3♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.2 BB, Hero calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 8♣ K♠
SB checks, Hero bets 1.56 BB, SB calls 1.56 BB

Turn: (7.52 BB, 2 players) A♣
SB checks, Hero bets 2.64 BB, SB raises to 15.04 BB, Hero folds...

I will post that in the Russian community..Then I will try to explain..And then I will start to argue..We will see what will happen.

You did not, although you certainly seemed to be trying hard to do so.

You are so wrong...But enough drama..That's why no one is "offending" you..Because of this reaction..Typical ...


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
I would bet bigger on turn as ace connects better with his range.
As for river - in vacuum(without reads on opponent) without blocker I'm not calling 220% overbet shove.

These exploitative poker strategies can be dicey at best but indeed I did call here without reads. But we can always deduce that a tag archetype is aggressive.


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@Vorpal. NoNameHypo is rather testing you than insulting you. He wants to see how would you perceive his posts in order get info about what is happening inside you. He kinda wound your ego to see how would you react. He loves to make some sort of social expiriments. It's creepy to me but i dont see something wrong with that either. He is a professional poker player and has edge over you. So i felt like balance is needed. If you want to wound his ego ask him to analyze this hand

youtu.be/8K3HYaX69ds

I am sorry about the huge offtopic but i see he kinda discourage you to post opinions and share expirience. Instead to try raise your spirit for the game. This makes me angry.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

@Vorpal, if NoNameHippopotamus is insulting you, I didn't realize it and I'm sorry. I just thought that the no one should fold on turn so easily. That's all I meant when I "+1" Hippo's comments.


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