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BB defend with 86s vs CO

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Opponent here is solid, playing 20/17/11, but seems to fold post-draw a lot — saw flop only 9% and wtsd only 25% of those
Note that I myself have s very tight reputation: 24/15/5 and a big stack, so I had been widening my BB defense a bit.

On checking, 86s is a standard flat call heads up vs CO.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players

UTG: $60.59 (242 bb)
MP: $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $28.15 (113 bb)
BU: $25.35 (101 bb)
SB: $25.00 (100 bb)
BB (Hero): $52.25 (209 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 6♦:8♦:
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.61, 2 players fold, Hero calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.32) J♦:4♠:5♦: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.76, Hero calls $0.76 <<< I called here with the gutshot and flush draw

Turn: ($2.84) 2♥: (2 players)
Hero ??? <<< I now have the double gutshot. What do you think of leading the turn here? If so, how much?


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I'm gonna CR flop and bomb turn and see what happens.

86s on BB vs CO RFI 2.5BB:
3bet to 12BB = 8.7%
Fold = 68.4%
Call = 23%

I pretty much fold it every time but it's just personal preference.

Edit: added info


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Gomez224
Joined: 24.03.2008

FD+GS from my perspective is a good candidate to x/r the flop and then lead on the turn. The 2:h give us additional outs for our combo draw,


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
I'm gonna CR flop and bomb turn and see what happens.

86s on BB vs CO RFI 2.5BB:
3bet to 12BB = 8.7%
Fold = 68.4%
Call = 23%

I pretty much fold it every time but it's just personal preference.

That is what the solver says?
I'm surprised.
My old-school charts put this as a 3Bet/fold pre-flop.[1]
My static GTO charts have this as a 100% call, [2]
I would also normally fold this pre, however I had noticed opponent folded post-flop a lot, and also that with my deep stack, people seemed to be getting out of my way a lot.

Originally posted by Gomez224
FD+GS from my perspective is a good candidate to x/r the flop and then lead on the turn. The 2:h give us additional outs for our combo draw,

With a nut flush draw, I would also, but I wanted to see the turn.

Would you lead this turn?
Or would you x/r here as well?
Opponent has an Aggression factor of 1.3, so perhaps the turn CBet won't happen.

[1] Old-School charts (pre GTO)

Spoiler

blue is 3Bet as a bluff (so 3Bet and fold to 4Bet)

[2] Static GTO charts

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Gomez224
Joined: 24.03.2008

On the turn, I would consider x/r mostly with made hands. With draws, I would like to win without a showdown. Please have in mind that we have so many outs. I would like to jam river when our draw turns into flush or str8.


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

Is your GTO range really from BB vs CO spot? I never saw solution with merged 3bet range like this from BB.
As for postflop - I also think check/raise is way to play there.
If you call then DON'T donkbet on turn. It doesnt make any sense and it will be a lot easier for your gameplan if you completely rid donks from your strategy. After check I think we have only one option - call. I dont think raise is option because you would need to raise really big to avoid situation when you have very strong draw but need to fold as odds are terrible.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
Is your GTO range really from BB vs CO spot? I never saw solution with merged 3bet range like this from BB.

I don't have a solver — I wish I did but my hardware couldn't run one effectively.
The GTO charts I downloaded from a coaching site that gave a weeks free access as a promo. I have no way to evaluate them.
The "old-school" charts are from w34z3l's "gameplan" series of strategy articles from here on PokerStrategy.com .
I use them mainly for comparison, and to see how well my in-play choices matched their ideas.
Most often 86s would be a fold pre for me.

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
As for postflop - I also think check/raise is way to play there.
If you call then DON'T donkbet on turn. It doesnt make any sense and it will be a lot easier for your gameplan if you completely rid donks from your strategy. After check I think we have only one option - call. I dont think raise is option because you would need to raise really big to avoid situation when you have very strong draw but need to fold as odds are terrible.

I actually did lead the turn. I don't remember but it was like 1/2 pot — maybe slightly less. I wanted a call to build a bigger pot if I hit.
Opponent folded.

In the past I would donk occasionally against passive players that were likely to call but very unlikely to bet and usually only when I had the nuts.
I haven't done it with combo draws before (that I remember anyway).


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