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PLO25 A987ds 4bet pot, flop shove?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

BU has been 3betting versus my opens very often so I decided to go for 4bet. Not sure if this is enough to pot flop. SPR is bit over 1.

Game #1883992289: Table €25 PL - 0.10/0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 19:57:17 2023/05/23
Seated players
Seat 1: icehip (€32.61)
Seat 2: Jurgent (€25)
Seat 3: SarAK (€15.63)
Seat 4: 7sonofa7son (€59.34)
Seat 5: Barity (€76.01)
Seat 6: JobDone (€30.23)
Blinds and button
JobDone has the button
icehip posts small blind €0.10
Jurgent posts big blind €0.25
Hole cards
Dealt to Barity 9♠:A♠:8♥:7♥:
Preflop
SarAK folds
7sonofa7son folds
Barity raises €0.85 to €0.85
JobDone raises €2.90 to €2.90
icehip folds
Jurgent folds
Barity raises €8.20 to €9.05
JobDone calls €6.15
Flop 9♣:3♣:K♥: (18.45€)
Barity?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Yuck
second pair and backdoors — not exactly the best of flops.
With the low SPR FE is pretty much non-existent.
The Ace blocker isn't worth all that much, and OOP besides.

I see two options:
:diamond:  min-bet hoping to see a cheap turn.
:diamond:  just give up


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JoePlotter
Joined: 10.11.2012

With ultralow spr 1,25 you need like 35% equity. I think this is cbet-commit.He isnt folding much and neither are you so i dont think you can induce lot of bluffs. You will be sorry however if check through and he hit's his 4 outer etc. He will fold some times and unless he has KK, AK9, you are alive at least maybe with 6 outs+backdoors. You are decentish versus JT9, rundowns with 9 type of hands.

I dont like preflop 4bet with this kind of hand though. If he's decent he'll have a lot of better A-ds hands in his 3b-calling range and if he's bad it's probably even worse since they wont drop their shitty AKxx suited hands. 4betting doublesuited non paired hands light OP will get variance through the roof but what can you do when those bastards try to make plays on you. _evil:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Tricky part with aggros on left is that if we just call lot it will ultimately work on their favour. First adjustment is to tighten open range so we have less raise-folds but I think we need to also go somewhat wider 4bets than AA, AKK and absolute premium Axxxds rundowns.

If I don't remember wrong solver starts to use these kind of ds hands for 4bet as they do pretty well versus AA. But indeed if villain doesn't fold much at all it's probably better to just call.

Anyway in this one villain had hand like JT97ss and improved after I pot cbet.


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JoePlotter
Joined: 10.11.2012

I'll answer this quickly and a bit half-cocked since i dont know how to get ppt odds oracle to show flop equity distribution(tips plz!!) on different hand vs hand. I ran A987ds and AKJTds versus AA**$ds and you are right, A987 fares 2-3 percentage better. However, since dominating hands in position wont fold (or shouldnt) to 4bet , I feel it's problematic.


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