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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

iPoker - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: €44.04 (88.1 bb)
MP: €67.96 (135.9 bb)
CO: €87.85 (175.7 bb)
BTN: €50.00 (100 bb)
SB: €49.90 (99.8 bb)
Hero (BB): €50.75 (102 bb)

SB posts €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A♦: 7♦: A♠: 7♠:
UTG raises to €1.00, fold, CO calls €1.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to €4.25, UTG calls €3.25, CO calls €3.25

Flop: (€13.00, 3 players) 6♦: T♣: Q♠:
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: (€13.00, 3 players) 6♣:
Hero ?

Both players are Loose-bad with VPIP´s over 60 and none of em is a real maniac either.
Their ranges are really wide, obv this is not a GTO suitable spot.
How much value and which sizing has your bet here and how do you proceed on different river runouts?
What is your strategy in general and how do you adjust to different player types in this situation?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Would tend to use half pot on flush opening turn and pretty much fold to most raises. People tend to be extremely value (6+) heavy if they raise. If board stayed rainbow I would go for 1/3 size.

I think betting turn versus most player types is reasonable as our overpair heavy range is just doing pretty good here. Making it also decent spot to bluff when having some sort of draw without showdown value. We are also most likely player to have boats after flop checks through. Assuming we have some traps in check range. Versus very aggro/stab happy types check would be ok as well.

On blank rivers we could possibly go for thin blocker bet as value. Flush completing ones I would just x-f. Straightening ones are pretty bad as well though as 77 doesn't have great blocker effect even on 8 or 9. 99 would be lot better on 7 or 8 river.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would go for a thin value Cbet on the flop of around $5 and re-evaluete on further action on a dry board like this. If you face a raise you have a easy escape I think.

Turn seems like a blank and I would make a delayed Cbet for value and if you face a raise you can still fold. I don't think both villains would change a draw in to a bluff, but I don't play enough PLO to be sure about it.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I would go for a thin value Cbet on the flop of around $5

We should not c-bet our AA in this situation with a high frequency. GTO bets around 1/3 whereas the :7x: blockers and 2 bdfd advocate for betting indeed. The problem is, against loose players I have less FE and most turns will be quite difficult to play when it gets to rumble for stacks.

According to GTO we should remain this strategy ott with AA, but yes I see reason to bet for value since ranges are so wide and both checks signaled weakness. With 50% sizing Monker would start leading ott with AA at 29%.

In the game I have bet 75%, UTG called, river a rainbow low card blank got checked down and villain showed trips+top-kicker which I find is quite passive even with 3 players.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Yeah nut trips are mandatory value bet if not raising turn which would be reasonable also. Quite a good note to make that villain checks that.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Versus good customers I would go for 75% bet. We still get often value from draws or weaker made hands. If either raises, easy fold. There arent many blank rivers, only non club 2, 3, 4 or 5. Just check river and collect the value.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Issue with flop bet though is that most turns does change the board and we end up bloating pot. Most of those turns then put us into tough spots where we often have to check. Does help if villains are honest passive type and won't semibluff turns but personally I would just check flop.

I suppose reason solver likes to bet this combo is about hand being too weak to x-c but has some potential with two bdfd.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I have access to Vision only, and it doesn't have UTG/CO/SB sim. And it doesn't have exactly QT6r. QT7 and QT5 are quite different board textures. But in CO/BTN/SB sim there aren't a lot of small bets from SB with AAxx on QT7. On QT5 (difference is that it lacks the other straight draw) threre's quite a bunch of 1/3 bets with AAxx.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Check call . Flush Draw miss Its a call on the River , Depends on Bet size tells. You need to realize your ev to make a full House on the River. In case You Bet the turn, You need to fold to a reraise. Its hard to get Velue on 2 streets by turn Bet. If it gose check each street and flush miss and high card not pair You can Bet the River. In case the straight comes on the River Its a check call. He Might Find a bluff.


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