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Incog
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Joined: 18.08.2006
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07.10.2023, 07:16

PokerStars - 80/160 Ante 24 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP+1): 25.76 BB
CO: 53.92 BB
BTN: 35.72 BB
SB: 28.57 BB
BB: 34.2 BB
UTG: 28.97 BB
UTG+1: 30.54 BB
MP: 62.02 BB

8 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has J♠ J♦

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (13.7 BB, 2 players) 9♠ T♠ 8♥
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 9 BB, UTG+1 calls 9 BB

I figured that all draws would call this flop, so I sized up.

Turn: (31.7 BB, 2 players) 4♦
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: (31.7 BB, 2 players) A♠
UTG+1 bets 15.89 BB and is all-in, fold,

The case Ace ... is checking behind on the Turn correct?


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07.10.2023, 09:54

Not sure why you checking the turn, but in general I would shove it with the over pair and straight draw.

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Incog
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08.10.2023, 16:40

Originally posted by SDK1987
Not sure why you checking the turn, but in general I would shove it with the over pair and straight draw.

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SDK1987

Really ... I am a bit suprised.

putting 9BB (my AllIn) in a 31,7BB Pot... where I am either waybehind or wayahead... and all draws call cause of odds, doesn't seem right, imo.

Atleast checking behind on turn induces purebluffs on a blank river.

So maybe the Flopbet was to big then, if I don't have FE on the Turn?


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08.10.2023, 23:37

With this stack size I would bet around half pot in flop to make similar sized turn shove.

As played we obviously shove turn to get value out of draws and weaker made hands.


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SDK1987
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10.10.2023, 13:30

Originally posted by Incog

Originally posted by SDK1987
Not sure why you checking the turn, but in general I would shove it with the over pair and straight draw.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Really ... I am a bit suprised.

putting 9BB (my AllIn) in a 31,7BB Pot... where I am either waybehind or wayahead... and all draws call cause of odds, doesn't seem right, imo.

Atleast checking behind on turn induces purebluffs on a blank river.

So maybe the Flopbet was to big then, if I don't have FE on the Turn?

Sizing on the flop could be smaller for sure. See also the comment of ghaleon.
I don't mind if villain called with a draw on the turn. If he/she would hit it on the river it would be unlucky for you, but that's part of the game.


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regie
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11.10.2023, 13:16

He can have fd sometimes, no ace high in his range i believe.
I think it is a flop push 100% of the time. Problem with flop betting You have something there most of the time. Check raising or flop Bet and get it in is the right play.


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SDK1987
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13.10.2023, 09:09

Originally posted by regie
He can have fd sometimes, no ace high in his range i believe.
I think it is a flop push 100% of the time. Problem with flop betting You have something there most of the time. Check raising or flop Bet and get it in is the right play.

Hero has still 20bb behind on the flop in a pot of 13,7bb. Over shoving seems a little bit to much or villain is really fishy.
Betting around 6bb and shove the turn seems better I think.


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regie
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13.10.2023, 12:06

Sorry. I wanted to say turn push instead of flop push


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14.10.2023, 09:10

Originally posted by regie
Sorry. I wanted to say turn push instead of flop push

That's fair enough. Everyone makes mistakes :f_wink:


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