Micros are not nitty, i will prove you wrong

So lets start. Happened yesterday, his stats were 12/9/3 of 473 hands. I open-he 3bet-I 4 bet and he shoves 5bet pre with 99. Very nitty, yeah...

https://gg.gl/exnag

First one I post hands on PokerStars, You Play on GGP, second I Play regular tables, You have here rush & cash (nearly like zoom on PS). I pit later some hands to defend my opinion from less Play nitty preflop premium hands than aggresive Play like in Your example (nl5 PokerStars, regular tables).

Originally posted by aleasy77
First one I post hands on PokerStars, You Play on GGP, second I Play regular tables, You have here rush & cash (nearly like zoom on PS). I pit later some hands to defend my opinion from less Play nitty preflop premium hands than aggresive Play like im Your example (nl5 PokerStars, regular tables).

Good luck with you're new blog
On every limit you have nits and aggressive players I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987

nsavov because I write about IT in hands discussion forum

Originally posted by SDK1987
Good luck with you're new blog
On every limit you have nits and aggressive players I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Good point, question is how many players are nits or aggresive maniac.

And another one, happened yesterday as well

https://gg.gl/srl96

Originally posted by aleasy77
First one I post hands on PokerStars, You Play on GGP, second I Play regular tables, You have here rush & cash (nearly like zoom on PS). I pit later some hands to defend my opinion from less Play nitty preflop premium hands than aggresive Play like in Your example (nl5 PokerStars, regular tables).

Wow, no it is client depended or type of game, off course not. Good regs which bluffs and bad donks who never fold are everythere. You just dont play enough hands to see all spectrum of ranges.

The only big difference between fast/rush/zoom tables with regular tables is that preflop game at zoom tables more relevant than postflop. Because it add up more quickly small/medium pots. But most of the time in fast zoom games people are more patient, they fold and wait the good hands. In reg games people are actually more aggro.

How many You Play hands Yesterday? And on zoom/rust & cash games You can make more hands than regular tables.

Originally posted by aleasy77
How many You Play hands Yesterday? And on zoom/rust & cash games You can make more hands than regular tables.

Yesterday I played 3.5K hands 10Nl and about 1.8K 5NL. You can play more hands per houd indeed.

Ok my example for nitty play preflop

From today first

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/425gX1b3h/r

UTG: $5.04 (101 bb)
MP: $5.75 (115 bb)
CO: $5.05 (101 bb)
BU: $5.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $8.38 (168 bb)
BB: $5.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K♠ A♣
3 players fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero 3-bets to $0.60, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.25) 3♣ J♥ J♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

Turn: ($2.05) T♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.98, BTN calls $0.98

River: ($4.01) 6♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Total pot: $4.01 (Rake: $0.17)

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows K♠ A♣ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 52%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

BU shows A♦ K♣ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 48%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

SB (Hero) wins $1.92
BU wins $1.92

No 4bet AK on button vs 3 bet SB

Second hand

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/625gX2Snk/r

UTG: $11.71 (234 bb)
CO (Hero): $5.00 (100 bb)
BU: $5.16 (103 bb)
SB: $7.87 (157 bb)
BB: $4.63 (93 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with Q♥ Q♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 2♣ 4♥ 2♥ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB folds

Turn: ($1.20) 3♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80

River: ($2.80) 7♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Total pot: $2.80 (Rake: $0.12)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows Q♥ Q♣ (two pair, Queens and Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BU shows K♥ K♠ (two pair, Kings and Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BU wins $2.68

No 3bet with kings on button after my open on CO!

From Yesterday:

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/125gVH0g4/r

UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $5.53 (111 bb)
BU: $6.46 (129 bb)
SB: $5.21 (104 bb)
BB: $5.60 (112 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A♠ K♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) T♥ 9♠ J♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.35) 5♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.35) 6♥ (2 players)
SB bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

Total pot: $0.45 (Rake: $0.02)

Showdown:
SB shows K♦ A♥ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 50%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

CO (Hero) shows A♠ K♣ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 50%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

SB wins $0.22
CO (Hero) wins $0.21

Nice just cold call SB vs my open CO preflop

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/625gVGZvC/r

UTG: $6.91 (138 bb)
CO: $5.18 (104 bb)
BU: $5.19 (104 bb)
SB (Hero): $5.38 (108 bb)
BB: $7.25 (145 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 5♥ 9♥
2 players fold, BTN raises to $0.10, SB (Hero) folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) T♣ Q♣ 7♥ (2 players)
BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.22) 5♣ (2 players)
BB bets $0.15, BTN calls $0.15

River: ($0.52) T♦ (2 players)
BB bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Total pot: $1.02 (Rake: $0.04)

Showdown:
BB shows A♣ Q♠ (two pair, Queens and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 91%, River: 100%)

BU mucks 4♠ 5♠ (two pair, Tens and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 9%, River: 0%)

BB wins $0.98

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/625gVGZvC/r

UTG: $6.91 (138 bb)
CO: $5.18 (104 bb)
BU: $5.19 (104 bb)
SB (Hero): $5.38 (108 bb)
BB: $7.25 (145 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 5♥ 9♥
2 players fold, BTN raises to $0.10, SB (Hero) folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) T♣ Q♣ 7♥ (2 players)
BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.22) 5♣ (2 players)
BB bets $0.15, BTN calls $0.15

River: ($0.52) T♦ (2 players)
BB bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Total pot: $1.02 (Rake: $0.04)

Showdown:
BB shows A♣ Q♠ (two pair, Queens and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 91%, River: 100%)

BU mucks 4♠ 5♠ (two pair, Tens and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 9%, River: 0%)

BB wins $0.98

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/625gVGwuI/r

UTG: $6.52 (130 bb)
CO: $5.55 (111 bb)
BU (Hero): $5.12 (102 bb)
SB: $7.64 (153 bb)
BB: $5.07 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K♣ 5♣
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) 9♣ K♦ J♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.17, SB calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.69) 8♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.69) 9♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $0.69 (Rake: $0.03)

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows K♣ 5♣ (two pair, Kings and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 77%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

SB shows Q♦ Q♠ (two pair, Queens and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 68%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) wins $0.66

No 3bet on SB with queens after my open on button

And from today I Play on phone so I can't post this hand on format like Yesterday. Opponent on BB isolate to 2 limp and two players call. Flop Q73 (two hearts on board on 3way action) and BB with queens checks and utg bets 1bb and MP calls 1bb. What's do BB? Just calls this 1bb. On the river one from opponents catch flush and set off queens lose stack. Another example for nitty Play this time postflop.

Originally posted by aleasy77
And from today I Play on phone so I can't post this hand on format like Yesterday. Opponent on BB isolate to 2 limp and two players call. Flop Q73 (two hearts on board on 3way action) and BB with queens checks and utg bets 1bb and MP calls 1bb. What's do BB? Just calls this 1bb. On the river one from opponents catch flush and set off queens lose stack. Another example for nitty Play this time postflop.

What was nitty in this story???? Did we had KK vs AA in 4bet pot? One player choose to slow play, took risk and lost to a player who catched his flush. What is you definition of being nitty? To be honest, losing whole stack on river in squuezed pot pre, 3 blinds invested flop is ACTUALLY NOT NITTY.
It is a bad beat but it would be nitty if the player with QQ would fold river...

Sorry but on this board in 3way action on flop is easy cbet and after bet 1bb and call is easy raise vs one player can just check-call. See spot on EPT when opponent catch runner runner royal straight flush? One player with top set off queens just check-call on flop in 3way action. Ok this examples are slowplay You pay on micro I don't see reason for that. Post before I put some another hands so just cold call open raise with KK or QQ od not nitty for You?
I have spots like this when opponent catch set on the flop and full house on the river and Play three times check (no check-call just check).

Originally posted by pokerboy198229
...his stats were 12/9/3 of 473 hands...
...Very nitty, yeah...

I had to spend a few minutes wondering if you were a troll, uneducated, on drugs, or what the hell was wrong with you.

Any person with an IQ over 60 would NEVER support their argument "microstakes are nott nitty" with a hand where their opponent is a picture perfect example of a NIT who opens 12/9, which is practically half of what they should optimally open.

Then it hit me. The problem is your misinterpretation of the term "NIT."

You think of a NIT as a player who only 3bets AK, QQ+ and only 4bets KK+, which is not necessarilly true. If I open 50/40 but only 4bet AA, am I a NIT? You should generally think of him as someone who plays significantly tighter range than he optimally should. That's it.

And to add something valuable to the original topic:
1) Yes, microstakes are nitty, especially "fast fold" variant
2) Yes, NL5 is the nittiest of them. NL5 zoom is literally the nittiest limit you can find out there

And btw you can easily prove that by doing range research in Hand2Note (if you have enough hands on multiple stakes to compare of course). It's provabably around 78 times more valuable than playing 2000 hands and nitpicking 2 hands where your opponent called your preflop shove with some nonsense.

CheesyEagl3 good point, if I'm not mistaken 12/9/3 is 9% raise preflop first and 3% 3bet preflop?

Originally posted by aleasy77
CheesyEagl3 good point, if I'm not mistaken 12/9/3 is 9% raise preflop first and 3% 3bet preflop?

You're right. And VPIP (calls and raises together) is 12.

Yes, 3% 3bet is range JJ+, AKs, AKo so if we have many hands on this type of opponent, he shouldn't has bluffs (3bet for bluff or he can just cold call hands like AQs, TT on SB/BB after open raise button). In some spots opponents with low rpf/3bet, villian can shove with nonsense hand (no often but I have this situations).

Originally posted by aleasy77
Yes, 3% 3bet is range JJ+, AKs, AKo so if we have many hands on this type of opponent, he shouldn't has bluffs (3bet for bluff or he can just cold call hands like AQs, TT on SB/BB after open raise button). In some spots opponents with low rpf/3bet, villian can shove with nonsense hand (no often but I have this situations).

Exactly! Everyone knows that once they show aggression, they have monsters.

So they get AA, they 3bet, everyone folds, repeat -> they get frustrated, lose control over their emotions and start shoving nonsense.

Right, next example from today:

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/125gZKGYE/r

UTG: $5.16 (103 bb)
MP: $2.66 (53 bb)
CO: $3.49 (70 bb)
BU (Hero): $5.00 (100 bb)
SB: $7.72 (154 bb)
BB: $6.92 (138 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with J♥ K♣
3 players fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 2♠ 9♠ 5♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.32) 5♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.32) 5♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $0.32 (Rake: $0.01)

Showdown:
BU (Hero) mucks J♥ K♣ (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 22%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

BB shows Q♠ A♥ (three of a kind, Fives - higher kicker)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 63%, Flop: 78%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

BB wins $0.31

Again no 3bet AQ on BB vs open button from another player