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Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by aleasy77
Do You think he fold here Ax? No, I have spot when opponent on 3bet pot flop K42 rainbow call with A7, on board AKQ5 in single raise pot call turn with 66. Lol when I Play first time with player how he knows what I Play? And for Your information I have information about this player that he likes very often call do I think vs this player cbet flop is no good idea.Brother, you're right, but let it be. It's a waste of time to argue with him.
And btw I putted the hand you just posted ( J♥ K♣ on button) to GTO Wizard and even a solver would play it exactly how you did, heh
Check flop 58% of the time
Check turn 91,7% of the time
Check river 100% of the timeI dont know how you checked it but I pay every month for gto wizard tool, so I can make a deep analyses.
First thing, it differ on suites of K and J and different suites leads to a different apporach. There are two spades on flop so without any spade we do check a lot. But with at least one spade we have to bet the flop. And to make any assumption of how villain plays we need to have at least 1K played stats vs him. If you only saw few hands, I will not recommend you to make any assumption about his tendencies. To be honest I will c-bet this flop in 80% of the time and I will differ my game only if I would see his game on at least 1K played hands.By the way, if we do bet flop, then gto advices to bet turn as well in 70% of the time.....
Maybe you haven't looked properly but we don't have any spade, so we check most of the time. Solver checks this exact suit 60% of the time, aleasy basically played the hand exactly like a solver would.
Actually I did, I meant more what is the right reason to check here. Not because we are in tight game vs a probably a nit we saw few hands of it. But because we don´t have the right suites. It is important expecially when we do analyse our game through gto.
Originally posted by aleasy77
1. On SB play just call with hands like KQo, AQo etc. can better odds to call BB and we get 3way action on flop without position.
Important to know and to realise it: good req (TAG/LAG/NIT) have no calling range on SB vs BTN, SB does have a calling range vs UTG. So when you do see it, you have to understand the type of player.
GTO says in general
SB vs BTN:
Folding in 84,7%
Calling: in 1,6%
Raising to 10BB in 14,7%
All in: 0%
SB vs UTG:
Folding in 90,6%
Calling: in 2,7%
Raising to 10BB in 6,7%
All in: 0%
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by aleasy77
1. On SB play just call with hands like KQo, AQo etc. can better odds to call BB and we get 3way action on flop without position.Important to know and to realise it: good req (TAG/LAG/NIT) have no calling range on SB vs BTN, SB does have a calling range vs UTG. So when you do see it, you have to understand the type of player.
GTO says in general
SB vs BTN:
Folding in 84,7%
Calling: in 1,6%
Raising to 10BB in 14,7%
All in: 0%SB vs UTG:
Folding in 90,6%
Calling: in 2,7%
Raising to 10BB in 6,7%
All in: 0%
Yes I know it that no call on SB vs open button I do that!!!!!!!!! But some player call on SB vs button with AK/QQ!!!!
Only must flip in the best case with this AK
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/225h1lVUs/r
UTG: $4.87 (97 bb)
MP: $5.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $5.00 (100 bb)
BU: $5.20 (104 bb)
SB: $7.47 (149 bb)
BB: $1.87 (37 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A♦ K♣
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to $0.70, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to $2.40, BB calls $1.17 (all-in)
Flop: ($3.81) 2♣ 3♦ 5♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($3.81) 3♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($3.81) 9♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $3.81 (Rake: $0.16)
Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows A♦ K♣ (a pair of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 37%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)
BB shows Q♦ Q♣ (two pair, Queens and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 63%, Turn: 77%, River: 100%)
BB wins $3.65
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by aleasy77
Do You think he fold here Ax? No, I have spot when opponent on 3bet pot flop K42 rainbow call with A7, on board AKQ5 in single raise pot call turn with 66. Lol when I Play first time with player how he knows what I Play? And for Your information I have information about this player that he likes very often call do I think vs this player cbet flop is no good idea.Brother, you're right, but let it be. It's a waste of time to argue with him.
And btw I putted the hand you just posted ( J♥ K♣ on button) to GTO Wizard and even a solver would play it exactly how you did, heh
Check flop 58% of the time
Check turn 91,7% of the time
Check river 100% of the timeI dont know how you checked it but I pay every month for gto wizard tool, so I can make a deep analyses.
First thing, it differ on suites of K and J and different suites leads to a different apporach. There are two spades on flop so without any spade we do check a lot. But with at least one spade we have to bet the flop. And to make any assumption of how villain plays we need to have at least 1K played stats vs him. If you only saw few hands, I will not recommend you to make any assumption about his tendencies. To be honest I will c-bet this flop in 80% of the time and I will differ my game only if I would see his game on at least 1K played hands.By the way, if we do bet flop, then gto advices to bet turn as well in 70% of the time.....
Maybe you haven't looked properly but we don't have any spade, so we check most of the time. Solver checks this exact suit 60% of the time, aleasy basically played the hand exactly like a solver would.
Actually I did, I meant more what is the right reason to check here. Not because we are in tight game vs a probably a nit we saw few hands of it. But because we don´t have the right suites. It is important expecially when we do analyse our game through gto.
Why would you c-bet 80% of the time then? It doesn't make any sense...
Originally posted by aleasy77
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by aleasy77
1. On SB play just call with hands like KQo, AQo etc. can better odds to call BB and we get 3way action on flop without position.Important to know and to realise it: good req (TAG/LAG/NIT) have no calling range on SB vs BTN, SB does have a calling range vs UTG. So when you do see it, you have to understand the type of player.
GTO says in general
SB vs BTN:
Folding in 84,7%
Calling: in 1,6%
Raising to 10BB in 14,7%
All in: 0%SB vs UTG:
Folding in 90,6%
Calling: in 2,7%
Raising to 10BB in 6,7%
All in: 0%Yes I know it that no call on SB vs open button I do that!!!!!!!!! But some player call on SB vs button with AK/QQ!!!!
That doesnt mean you have to change your game dramatically just because tight passive fish might have AK/QQ. Their range is bigger than that. Then we just run bad, but we dont play result oriented, we play the way we suppose to play. My point is, I know that there are tight passive fish in a game, but it doesnt make 5NL a nitty game, imo.
Sorry but if more players no 3/4bet preflop premium hands on different positions than can play aggresive preflop some weak hands must include that to plan how can play postflop.
Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by CheesyEagl3
Originally posted by aleasy77
Do You think he fold here Ax? No, I have spot when opponent on 3bet pot flop K42 rainbow call with A7, on board AKQ5 in single raise pot call turn with 66. Lol when I Play first time with player how he knows what I Play? And for Your information I have information about this player that he likes very often call do I think vs this player cbet flop is no good idea.Brother, you're right, but let it be. It's a waste of time to argue with him.
And btw I putted the hand you just posted ( J♥ K♣ on button) to GTO Wizard and even a solver would play it exactly how you did, heh
Check flop 58% of the time
Check turn 91,7% of the time
Check river 100% of the timeI dont know how you checked it but I pay every month for gto wizard tool, so I can make a deep analyses.
First thing, it differ on suites of K and J and different suites leads to a different apporach. There are two spades on flop so without any spade we do check a lot. But with at least one spade we have to bet the flop. And to make any assumption of how villain plays we need to have at least 1K played stats vs him. If you only saw few hands, I will not recommend you to make any assumption about his tendencies. To be honest I will c-bet this flop in 80% of the time and I will differ my game only if I would see his game on at least 1K played hands.By the way, if we do bet flop, then gto advices to bet turn as well in 70% of the time.....
Maybe you haven't looked properly but we don't have any spade, so we check most of the time. Solver checks this exact suit 60% of the time, aleasy basically played the hand exactly like a solver would.
Actually I did, I meant more what is the right reason to check here. Not because we are in tight game vs a probably a nit we saw few hands of it. But because we don´t have the right suites. It is important expecially when we do analyse our game through gto.
Why would you c-bet 80% of the time then? It doesn't make any sense...
Well I learned the strategy form Ed miller book game, how beat a mirco/low stakes. I qoute him when I say: ´we open on BTN vs blinds not to have them fold, we want to play with them having postion and decent cards to start´. So knowing that we also know that palyers will have a bigger range calling from blinds. They have a lot of Ax/small-med pairs/(suited) connectors/(suited) broadways. With KJ we do block broadways like KQ/KT/KJ/JT but not all other stuff. So we do bet and even if we get called we can catch later or we can double barrel to let him fold his other range as A high/some range of (suited) connector. On river he could misses his draw and check oop and we still have showdown with KJ high, easy game. And I know sometimes thet have range which we lose to, but in general I believe with barreling flop and turn we create more chances to win.
Originally posted by aleasy77
Sorry but if more players no 3/4bet preflop premium hands on different positions than can play aggresive preflop some weak hands must include that to plan how can play postflop.
Im sorry , my friend. I dont understand what you mean. Can you put your thoughts in separate sentences?
Originally posted by pokerboy198229
Originally posted by aleasy77
Sorry but if more players no 3/4bet preflop premium hands on different positions than can play aggresive preflop some weak hands must include that to plan how can play postflop.Im sorry , my friend. I dont understand what you mean. Can you put your thoughts in separate sentences?
Ok my point is when player A or B no re-raise premium hands postflop he could has in range so on flop/turn/river we must include this hands in range opponent (so he can has more value hands and we should less bluff postflop). In another way villian no 3bet JJ+ so postflop without position having for example KJ or AT You can't throw overpair opponent on the flop/turn and probably on the river.
If playerpool less 3bet/4bet preflop we avoid or do no often 4/5bet bluffs preflop because opponent can crush it.
Ok hereby my hand on 5NL:
See next hand, he open calls with ... and bluff stacks of. Please tell me is it a play of a nit?
https://gg.gl/d355g
How about this beauty? Called 4bet pre and stacks of flop, nitty again?
https://gg.gl/ah0sn
Just imagine how fckin hard we fold here when we dont have a set or 4th of the kinds. Now we do and we know he was bluffing. 5Nl bluffing, imagine that:
https://gg.gl/4cb4j
The guy from SB squeezes a lot so when the first guy just flatted I decide te reshove and take the pot down pre a lot of times. But it was even better, I get called by worse hand, another exmaple of tight ranges???
https://gg.gl/n2gat
Actually I dont hate his raise on flop, but again not really a tight range. Most of the time we will believe his raise will consist of best hands like sets/TP or at least A high f-draw. Not even close...
Tight range , isnt it? Actually I do like his play, good agressive play of him. But still another example people dont have always the nuts:
https://gg.gl/umkjm
I dont like py preflop game here, but imagine the villain 3bet cold ships with TP bad kicker..... So that means I have to call him with KT as well.
https://gg.gl/yrghr
It is a splash pot, but it is only 0,50 cent in the pot. Why you wanna stack of for extra 0,50 cent in it??? Def not nitty, more a gamble to me.
https://gg.gl/8yt9u
Check his ship turn, Im not sure its a a huge mistacke, but just to make it sure, his range is wider and not nitty again:
https://gg.gl/i8zcq
Another beauty of not a nitty play and range preflop, we forget his shove river off course, haha:
https://gg.gl/6rb4k