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grzesiek
Joined: 16.09.2007

With recent changes to cash leaderboard in Holdem and RNC I decided to move away from GG, but I figured out that PVI resets after some time, and is kept separated between stakes, so I camp jump between NL100 NL200 RNC100 RNC200 while waiting for the others to reset. I wanted to try a strategy of playing on GG while my PVI gives me 50% rakeback, and play on the other sites, when I have to wait for a reset on all stakes.

In order to do that it would be good to at least partially understand how we can manipulate PVI to our advantage. Do you have any info on how its calculated, or how can we try to trick a system? For example:
- If it counts time played per day, it could be good to play under one hour daily (and then move to other sites)
- If it counts number of hands, it might be good to end sessions at 990 hands
- If it counts number of tables, then we can play less tables
etc etc...

Any insight would be cool (even if that's just a guess based on your experience). I'm pretty sure winrate isn't everything, as my PVI dropped significantly even when I started playing new stakes with a downswing just after few days of grind.

Thanks!


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AcesMagnet
Joined: 13.06.2023

Note to the casual readers, PVI = Player Value Index, GGPoker automatically assigns a certain Player Value Index (PVI) to all players, which ranges from 0 to 2.

https://www.vip-grinders.com/ggpoker-pvi-rake-explained/

Lars Liedtke at vip-grinders.com wrote, on November 19th 2022:

GGPOKER PVI RAKE BENEFITS RECREATIONAL PLAYERS
First of all it is important to note that GGPoker has chosen a rake system based on the Player Value Index (PVI) to benefit recreational players and to reduce the edge of poker pros to make the games more fair.

The main idea behind GGPoker PVI Rake is to have recreational players benefit more compared to professionals.

HOW DOES PVI RAKE WORK?
But how exactly does PVI Rake work? You are probably asking yourself now, so we will provide an in-depth answer in the following paragraph.

Recreational players have a higher PVI factor than poker pros and therefore earn more rakeback.

GGPoker automatically assigns a certain Player Value Index (PVI) to all players, which ranges from 0 to 2.

Edit: quoted the article, made the headings bold.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Will a very good player, who is just playing for the fun of it be classed as pro or as a recreational player?
I understand that this PVI thing is only for rakeback — is that correct? Is it documented anywhere?


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Speckftw
Joined: 20.03.2008

I am one of the 'good' players playing for fun. My Rakeback is close to 0. But German players generally get 30 % less RB due to taxation.

And yeah, PVI does reset after a while, but it just takes like a couple of hands to be set back to the old PVI. Give or take around 500 hands as far as I was able to observe.


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koval21
Joined: 03.07.2010

How to check my PVI?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by koval21
How to check my PVI?

Have not played at GG but afaik there is no way to directly check it. What you can do is calculate it from you rake, supposed rakeback and actual rakeback received I guess


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dragon7189
Joined: 18.02.2010

Jak sprawdzić PVI?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by dragon7189
Jak sprawdzić PVI?

Originally posted by dragon7189
How to check PVI?

To find your PVI, you need to know how much rake you paid in a session and a few other things
For tournaments:
:diamond:  Record your "fish points" and your balance before your session.
:diamond:  After your session, add up all the tournament fees you've paid.
:diamond:  Check your "fish points" again. You should have added 100 fish points for every dollar paid in tournament fees.
:diamond:  If you have less than 100 points per dollar, then your are a good player, so your PVI is adjusted so you get fewer points. Thanks GG!

For Cash Games[1] :
:diamond:  Record your "fish points" and your balance before your session.
:diamond:  After your session open pokercraft, and find out what your net winnings are for the session.
:diamond:  Compare this to your new balance. Pokercraft ignores rake, so the difference is the amount of rake you paid
:diamond:  You should have 100 points for every dollar spent in rake.

You are quite welcome to post in the English forum, but please post in English.
If necessary, you can translate to English using Google Translate before posting.

Thanks!
VS

[1] I haven't checked pokercraft in a long, long time since I don't ever play cash games on GGPoker


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