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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

CO opens, BU calls, and the BB squeezes in epic fashion, with Q♠:4♠:6♣:7♣:, BU calls
9♥:9♠:3♦: SPR2.5
BB c-bets 25%
Turn T♠: SPR1.3
BB bets 50%
River A♦: SPR 0.4
Flop and turn bet are standard play imo, especially flop. The T♠: is not great, but it does give me a FD so I am forced to barrel with it. River is probably most interesting. On one hand it reduces my AA combos, not sure how important this is in PLO (in holdem it is pretty important) I think, on the other if he does have trips or better I might have some FE.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

I would have folded preflop. That hand has only 50% against random hand and there are already 2. If CO opens 25% and BU calls 40% you are not favorite on preflop and on flop your are far behind BUs' 40% range. F call overpair or trips, turn T♠: may have added fd or/and sd to villain. River not :spade: A is good to continue bluffing, at least in micros it works well with normal 75% "valuebet"


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

I can't help my self. The theoretical +0.05ev is just too much. :milord:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Most likely quite bad squeeze as you will get three way pots way more often than you should usually.

As played on turn I would prefer using either pot or small bet like 1/4-1/3 pot when betting in general. This half pot seems kind of bad imo.

On river it's probably time to fire that last bullet on this river. I don't expect any trips+ to fold but at same time villain can have some overpair+support that most likely folds. Our draws are not really hugely blocking such hands.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by BunBun00
I can't help my self. The theoretical +0.05ev is just too much. :milord:

xD

I would have folded preflop.

+1

Turn: Depending on who called we have different situations. CO calling is quite a problem I probably just check-fold. His Callin range is not very wide and ingame regulars would be aware that their position is iffy cause of BU last to act.

Against BU where CO folded I agree that the second barrel is an option. Idk if it is standard, we have no (strong) made hand yet and it's basically just a mediocre semi-bluff (sucker wrap but blocking the dominating oesd) in a formerly 3way dynamics. I'd also say villains continuation often deviate heavily from GTO either in one direction or the other. It's an interesting, difficult and expensive spot and the best play can be heavily depending on villains' tendencies cause we rely massively on both leverage and FE.

About sizing I am not sure either, we could bet half pot that is my most commonly used sizing with weaker combodraws that I still want to bet-fold against a presumably valueheavy shove. Potting generate more FE against pair-type holdings and visibility but it'd be a very painful situation facing a shove, the Q♠ flush is theoretically quite powerful in a 3bp and we kinda don't want to fold that. So I am not sure how we should play it here, for example I could imagine check-raising in a counter-float dynamic could be a thing aswell, I am open for opinions guys.

River: Is not that interesting^^. Cause you have nothing in terms of SDV and side-cards are pretty straightforward and obvious. So you either bluff triple-barrel if you think you get credit repping the uber-nuts, not much wrong with that since we can have them in our top-vs-capped range, we have no SDV following the concept of logic I explained in the last hand or you just check-fold cause you don't beat anything which is imo a better play here against lowstakes grinder because now having Q♠, 4♠ and 7♣ is quite bad -you block villains drawing range- and from my pool experience villains dont overfold blank rivers at SPR <1 once calling the turn (and they also should not). A regular calling a 2barrel from someone oop 3way shows massive strength. The half-pot turn barrel is often good cause it does have leverage and for this generates FE against thinking players. Once we get called it could be a pretty bad move to shove. Imagine a decent regular evaluating this line, restraining from card-chasing calls (fit-fold style) he will rather be overpowered in value than overbluff float-shoving this spot which means you'll have less FE. It is hard to defend well on the turn against unknown players (this means folding the right amount of hands against the triple-barrel but calling enough aswell).


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Pot was HU as CO folded preflop.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Not sure what solver sim you are using, but in all my sims and PLO Vision Q764ds is a fold. And common sense says that it's definitely a fold.

In almost every player pool people fold less than solver excpects in 3bet pots, especially in squeezed ones. Therefore we should 3bet less than solver says, and narrow the range from the bottom. Even if this is marginally +EV squeeze in some sim, in reality it's not.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Not sure what solver sim you are using, but in all my sims and PLO Vision Q764ds is a fold. And common sense says that it's definitely a fold.

In almost every player pool people fold less than solver excpects in 3bet pots, especially in squeezed ones. Therefore we should 3bet less than solver says, and narrow the range from the bottom. Even if this is marginally +EV squeeze in some sim, in reality it's not.

Yeah lol, it should not be in a 3bet range indeed I totally missed that. In PLO it makes much less sense to add fancy bluff 3bets. Q♣:7♠:6♣:5♠: is the bottom of my MP RFI.^^


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