open CO K♥:K♣:8♥:5♥:, BU calls
Flop 4♥:6♥:T♦:
Cbet 75%, BU raises100, SPR2
So after the raise the SPR is 2 so 40% equity required which I should approximately have. I could also just call and fold board pairing turns especially if TP or MP pairs?
About flop cbet, my first thought is with 3♥ I should be c-betting higher. So that +GD and OP, it's better to start betting OTF and generate value rather than checking range. The board is terrible for range though.
Just get it in. Don't make big calls and hero folds with made hand value hands versus non-specific range. He could have a set, but he could also have 2p, Txxx+fd and so on. Even versus sets you have good equity, versus 2 pairs you are ahead.
Originally posted by Kyyberi
Just get it in.
+1
You can use "equity-vs-nuts" considerations when planning your hand but you gotta take into account that villain has a whole range of hands. At SPR2 it is a leak to gii with nuts-only and most people also do not play like that. If you have the required all-in equity, you should always try to get the money in instantly unless your hand is strong enough to slowplay (those hands have to be real monsters like strongest made hands + nutdraw), it's a guideline for beginners which I also follow to this day. When getting it at break-even equity in you'd rather prefer to be last one with the aggressive action cause you want to collect any pice of minor FE you can get. Even 2-3% FE can add up over time. No matter if ip or oop, if your hand is strong enough to ramble but composes of multiple (non-nutted) components it is an indicator you should be either raising or folding. (-> smooth equity distribution).
When your range awareness becomes better, you can start calling more hands in position and start folding selectively.
Example: SB 3bets you call on BTN. board comes K♥:7♥:3♠: and you have naked :Kx::Kx: top-set. Solver is never raising ip but still folding without FD-BL vs a river shove in a BXB line (we'd call a pot-sized cbet otf). On microstakes it would be still okayish to just shove, people stack-off more light on the light texture and we solve the problem of difficult playability on certain runouts). Playing the hand fast kinda is an emergency route to prevent future mistakes (like overfolding at ultra-low SPR's) despite it is deviating from solver play. You can do this cause 1. nobody will exploit the fact you have weakened your calling range, 2. they are not aware of potentially too little polarization at that aggressive line but at the same time have no bet-folding line either and 3. the impact of it at lower SPR's is also reduced (cause a shove is technically ending the hand and we alternatively could just play shove or fold strategy with a condensed range which is not optimal though but not that much worse in EV overall either).
Edit: I just noticed you were the PFA. I'll leave my comment for the case you'd be in villains spot one day. To the hand: You can either cbet-call alllin or check-shove. when you cbet make sure to jam all turns. Also when cbetting the flop you'd rather pot it, it generates more FE. If you want to have a bet-folding range, you'd be betting small like 1/3 pot. I already explained the theory behind OOP play at SPR2 here:
Also when cbetting the flop you'd rather pot it, it generates more FE
Is that becuase I'm OOP or is it also applicable to IP play? Because IP I use 2/3 to 3/4 on dynamic textures and OOP I just use the same sizing as IP.
A lot of great points in the post thank you.
Originally posted by BunBun00
Also when cbetting the flop you'd rather pot it, it generates more FE
Is that becuase I'm OOP or is it also applicable to IP play? Because IP I use 2/3 to 3/4 on dynamic textures and OOP I just use the same sizing as IP.
A lot of great points in the post thank you.
Sry for confusion. I got a little confused by myself. Yes Full Pot bet is for OOP to deny equity and get money in quickly. In position, there are spots at SPR4 where we want to bet pot aswell, for example vulnerable hands on dryish textures. But generally in position we prefer the smaller half-pot sizing and usually try to set up a 3-streets game. In 3BP you rather pot it or bet small (not above 1/2pot) even on dynamics textures. Protection is not the main factor driving our action but equity. If we bet half-pot and the flush arrives on the turn, theoretically this should be no problem as we were bluffing those draws aswell. Now we'd have the option to leverage our flush value hands or 2barrel another bluff with money behind which is very hard to counter for OOP. That's the theoretical deduction from what solver is doing.
Originally posted by Mascherano95
Originally posted by BunBun00
Also when cbetting the flop you'd rather pot it, it generates more FE
Is that becuase I'm OOP or is it also applicable to IP play? Because IP I use 2/3 to 3/4 on dynamic textures and OOP I just use the same sizing as IP.
A lot of great points in the post thank you.
Sry for confusion. I got a little confused by myself. Yes Full Pot bet is for OOP to deny equity and get money in quickly. In position, there are spots at SPR4 where we want to bet pot aswell, for example vulnerable hands on dryish textures. But generally in position we prefer the smaller half-pot sizing and usually try to set up a 3-streets game. In 3BP you rather pot it or bet small (not above 1/2pot) even on dynamics textures. Protection is not the main factor driving our action but equity. If we bet half-pot and the flush arrives on the turn, theoretically this should be no problem as we were bluffing those draws aswell. Now we'd have the option to leverage our flush value hands or 2barrel another bluff with money behind which is very hard to counter for OOP. That's the theoretical deduction from what solver is doing.
Boy confusion intensifies ♦, the hand is a SRP. I thought when you first mentioned potting you where talking about SRP not 3BP.
Originally posted by BunBun00
Originally posted by Mascherano95
Originally posted by BunBun00
Also when cbetting the flop you'd rather pot it, it generates more FE
Is that becuase I'm OOP or is it also applicable to IP play? Because IP I use 2/3 to 3/4 on dynamic textures and OOP I just use the same sizing as IP.
A lot of great points in the post thank you.
Sry for confusion. I got a little confused by myself. Yes Full Pot bet is for OOP to deny equity and get money in quickly. In position, there are spots at SPR4 where we want to bet pot aswell, for example vulnerable hands on dryish textures. But generally in position we prefer the smaller half-pot sizing and usually try to set up a 3-streets game. In 3BP you rather pot it or bet small (not above 1/2pot) even on dynamics textures. Protection is not the main factor driving our action but equity. If we bet half-pot and the flush arrives on the turn, theoretically this should be no problem as we were bluffing those draws aswell. Now we'd have the option to leverage our flush value hands or 2barrel another bluff with money behind which is very hard to counter for OOP. That's the theoretical deduction from what solver is doing.
Boy confusion intensifies ♦, the hand is a SRP. I thought when you first mentioned potting you where talking about SRP not 3BP.
yeah but in SRP we usually dont have SPR2 so I discussed it from the perspective of a 3bp where the SPR usually is lower. Ofc ranges matter but since player can vary their ranges they chose to opt lines that's always to be found out. the concepts of what I have said about 3BP (or 4BP it does not matter) still apply (otherwise I would not have mentioned it).
