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These being?

AKo, KK, QQ, TT, JJ, and ATs.

With the idea coming from looking at a post of VirtuaGod's, I decided to have a look at my HEM stats to find my least profitable hands.

Those were the hands that HEM showed to be the least profitable for me. I'm talking very unprofitable.

The graph of the downswing I'm going through shows that I'm down $285.20. The calculations from HEM show that these hands equate for $222.39 of this.

Am I overplaying these hands like crazy? I think I have finally found the reason for such large loses over a small size of hands, but what can I do to prevent such large loses in the future?


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Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

You goto think what your opponent has. It is crucial to let go of TPTK and overpairs at points to prevent major losses.

Like when I play AK I become very aware of villain action if there are 2 or more face cards on the flop/turn etc.

By the way how do you check that with HEM? Any filter or so I have to turn on to show my least profitable hand etc.? Would really like to find mine out too.


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

I just went to cash games > pre-flop cards, and then searched each card type to see how much those hole cards have won/lost. You can filter all other holecards out of your graphs too apart from these so you can see your overall loses combined.


NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Without HH can't say a thing.. Also, what sample?


it seems to be very strong hands that cause you to lose money (i.e. KK QQ).

so i think perhaps you are not protecting them enough
or perhaps you find them too hard fold postflop.


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by raun
it seems to be very strong hands that cause you to lose money (i.e. KK QQ).

so i think perhaps you are not protecting them enough
or perhaps you find them too hard fold postflop.

I find them hard to protect a lot of the time. People at the limit I play (NL25) seem to float you in so many spots, before hitting their two outter on the turn or something.

I don't really throw them away easily too, unless there's one card to a flush/straight, a couple of overcards, or a couple of paired face cards that my opponents could have.

What can I improve on? These hands are obviously the biggest leak in my game, And after losing $240~ with them over 1700 hands I really can't dread losing anymore.


Dragar
Joined: 09.09.2008

Originally posted by SheepMoose

Originally posted by raun
it seems to be very strong hands that cause you to lose money (i.e. KK QQ).

so i think perhaps you are not protecting them enough
or perhaps you find them too hard fold postflop.

I find them hard to protect a lot of the time. People at the limit I play (NL25) seem to float you in so many spots, before hitting their two outter on the turn or something.

I don't really throw them away easily too, unless there's one card to a flush/straight, a couple of overcards, or a couple of paired face cards that my opponents could have.

What can I improve on? These hands are obviously the biggest leak in my game, And after losing $240~ with them over 1700 hands I really can't dread losing anymore.

Actually 1700 hands is too small of a sample. I also have periods where KK are negative for me etc.


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_Anonymous_

I've been looking at my stats to find my leaks. My fold to continuation bet is small, extremely small. I think I float too many opponents, at the wrong times. I guess this is another flaw I have to fix.


Originally posted by SheepMoose
I just went to cash games > pre-flop cards, and then searched each card type to see how much those hole cards have won/lost. You can filter all other holecards out of your graphs too apart from these so you can see your overall loses combined.

You have an easier and better way

Cash Games -> Reports -> Holecards (on "Select Report name from List" on top left).

Hope u start winning with those hands. 1700 hands is too low a sample ;)


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by VirtuaGod

Originally posted by SheepMoose
I just went to cash games > pre-flop cards, and then searched each card type to see how much those hole cards have won/lost. You can filter all other holecards out of your graphs too apart from these so you can see your overall loses combined.

You have an easier and better way

Cash Games -> Reports -> Holecards (on "Select Report name from List" on top left).

Hope u start winning with those hands. 1700 hands is too low a sample ;)

I hope I start winning with these hands too. I mainly usually only play KTo as a steal or against tight opponents. AK is a very iffy hand for me, I've ran into a lot of sets when flopping TPTK or top two pair. And everytime I get kings I either run into aces or the board shows two queens or something.

Fuck variance. ;(

Some hands:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($26.89)
Hero ($34.72)
UTG ($22.52)
CO ($24.40)
BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero T♥ T♠

CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.25, fold

FLOP ($3.35) T♦ 6♥ Q♠

Hero bets $2.39, CO calls $2.39

TURN ($8.13) T♦ 6♥ Q♠ 9♥

Hero checks, CO bets $5.79, Hero raises to $18.82, CO raises to $20.51 (AI), Hero calls $1.69

RIVER ($49.15) T♦ 6♥ Q♠ 9♥ A♠

Hero shows T♥ T♠
(Pre 81%, Flop 82.6%, Turn 22.7%)

CO shows 7♥ 8♥
(Pre 19%, Flop 17.4%, Turn 77.3%)

CO wins $46.65

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25.15)
BB ($26.91)
UTG ($25.12)
UTG+1 ($18.99)
Hero ($35.90)
BTN ($31.07)

Dealt to Hero 5♠ 6♠

UTG raises to $0.60, fold, Hero calls $0.60, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.55) 6♥ 4♥ 2♠

UTG bets $0.95, Hero raises to $3, UTG raises to $7.86, Hero calls $4.86

TURN ($17.27) 6♥ 4♥ 2♠ 7♠

UTG bets $16.66 (AI), Hero calls $16.66

RIVER ($50.59) 6♥ 4♥ 2♠ 7♠ Q♥

UTG shows K♣ Q♣
(Pre 61%, Flop 18.8%, Turn 9.1%)

Hero shows 5♠ 6♠
(Pre 39%, Flop 81.2%, Turn 90.9%)

UTG wins $47.57

I guess I'm just a bad player.

:O


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_Anonymous_

Oh and this one, but this is just unavoidable.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($84.71)
Hero ($29.44)
UTG ($103)
UTG+1 ($50)
CO ($27.52)
BTN ($47.54)

Dealt to Hero T♣ T♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $7.26, BTN calls $5.26

FLOP ($14.77) T♥ A♦ 2♦

Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10

TURN ($34.77) T♥ A♦ 2♦ 8♦

Hero bets $12.18 (AI), BTN calls $12.18

RIVER ($59.13) T♥ A♦ 2♦ 8♦ K♥

BTN shows A♣ A♥
(Pre 80%, Flop 91.1%, Turn 77.3%)

Hero shows T♣ T♦
(Pre 20%, Flop 8.9%, Turn 22.7%)

BTN wins $56.18


NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

WTFFFFFFF


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
WTFFFFFFF

I appreciate your comment? ?(


Originally posted by SheepMoose
Oh and this one, but this is just unavoidable.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($84.71)
Hero ($29.44)
UTG ($103)
UTG+1 ($50)
CO ($27.52)
BTN ($47.54)

Dealt to Hero T♣ T♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $7.26, BTN calls $5.26

FLOP ($14.77) T♥ A♦ 2♦

Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10

TURN ($34.77) T♥ A♦ 2♦ 8♦

Hero bets $12.18 (AI), BTN calls $12.18

RIVER ($59.13) T♥ A♦ 2♦ 8♦ K♥

BTN shows A♣ A♥
(Pre 80%, Flop 91.1%, Turn 77.3%)

Hero shows T♣ T♦
(Pre 20%, Flop 8.9%, Turn 22.7%)

BTN wins $56.18

Huge reraise with pocket 10s? i am no pokerpro but, when he opens from early on and call your reraise. I would assume he had AQ or better. maybe pocket JJ+. But still, I would've done the same on the flop, trying to keep the pot avager when I hit my trips.


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

very standard setup, but don't play midstack ....


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by stiansk

Huge reraise with pocket 10s? i am no pokerpro but, when he opens from early on and call your reraise. I would assume he had AQ or better. maybe pocket JJ+. But still, I would've done the same on the flop, trying to keep the pot avager when I hit my trips.

I usually raise to a random number so my opponents can't count whether or not they have the odds to call.


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