[Closed] 1000$ special - JJ

i'll just cold call flop and raise turn when pot gets biger couse u got THE NUTS and u want some money in. if utg got big hand like QQ+ orbig draw like nuts flush draw he is not going anywhere but if he had AK i want for him to catch A or K on turn or maybe that M1 guy who calls behind u will call also and hit his hand on turn.
imo this is not very drawing board having in mind action preflop so u have stone cold nuts here 98% the time with very few outs for some1 to outdraw u.
i think u got to slow play them in this spot u want players to catch second best hand on turn and so u can double up, so call flop, then raise pot on turn or bet 3/4 pot if is it check to u.

maybe I've been playing too much omaha, but I think this board is drawy and with 4 people I don't like calling.

nh,

Originally posted by alejandrosh
maybe I've been playing too much omaha, but I think this board is drawy and with 4 people I don't like calling.

nh,

yea omaha speaks here

imo UTG open raise, so in my eyes on this board only draw he got is AcKc/AcQc or KcQc if he is loose
so utg range in this spot imo is (99+, AcKc, AcQc,KcQc)
M1 range (55+ AQ+, KQ+,KJ, JQs, JTs 78s+(maybe suted conectors too couse he got position and good stack))
so i want them to catch up couse JJJ r crushing them

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Board: Js 9c 4c
Dead:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
UTG: 9,475 % 9,330 % 0,290 % 90,380 % {QQ+, TT-99, AcKc, AcQc, KcQc
HERO: 79,860 % 79,860 % 0,000 % 20,140 % JdJc}
M1: 5,080 % 4,912 % 0,337 % 94,751 % {JJ-44, AQs-ATs, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AJo+, KQo}
BB: 5,586 % 5,431 % 0,311 % 94,258 % {TT-22, ATs-A2s, K8s+, Q8s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, ATo-A2o, KTo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o}

Hmmm tough one but UTG min raise ought to be a sign of strength, so AA, KK, QQ, AKs, possibly smaller pair, 77 - 1010.
For that reason, plus the fact there are 2 more people in pot, I shove over on the flop, hoping he has overpair or lower set, or ak and to get rid of the other 2 who have value for a draw if you just call flop bet.

So a shove instead of just a re-raise on the flop might have been a better solution then....makes sense...

Originally posted by fulja
So a shove instead of just a re-raise on the flop might have been a better solution then....makes sense...

NO NO NO ♠_mad

when u got monster u dont want other players to fold, u want to make them to put all theirs chips in..... if they get lucky and hit they draw or suck u out with runer runer comb. so let it be nh. ur huge fav. to win here and u dont want to scare people.

So cold call or raise (not huge raise 3x max) is ok ♠_thumbsup:

I NEVER EVER SHOVE with ur stack in this spot

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by fulja
So a shove instead of just a re-raise on the flop might have been a better solution then....makes sense...

NO NO NO ♠_mad

when u got monster u dont want other players to fold, u want to make them to put all theirs chips in..... if they get lucky and hit they draw or suck u out with runer runer comb. so let it be nh. ur huge fav. to win here and u dont want to scare people.

So cold call or raise (not huge raise 3x max) is ok ♠_thumbsup:

I NEVER EVER SHOVE with ur stack in this spot

I dont agree. With just one other player in the pot, yes, fine to just call but with 4 people in total, slow playing is too risky on a drawy board.

i dont say that slow play is must play in this spot.
i say that shoving is worse/tereble play in this spot, u got lot of FEQ with ur stack

this board in my eyes is not that drawy considering preflop action, and i like to induce a semibluf shove from players who r behind me to act and play for my stack in that spot.
so imo raising is standard play in this spot, but i prefer to slow play it in this circumstances, with that action preflop and with ur stack

Agree with Reb.

i would definetly reraise/call preflop here with 25bb

preflop:

depending on the stats from utg id 3bet or call.
against lag players i 3bet preflop, against tight player i just call IP.
so right here a call is not bad.

flop:

the board IS draw heavy. if you would be headsup against utg you MUST just call the flop. but against multiple oppents this board is too drawy to just call. some players might have QT, QTs or two clubs and i dont want to give them so damn good odds.
against one or two players you should just call flop raise turn.
against more then two players you should really raise here.
and DONT raise all in
a simple small raise is fine.