[Closed] it seems no one fold flush draws...

Yes fishes never fold them as FDs are the nuts.

I don't see a question in first post Do you want answer "yes we all hate that fishes don't muck flash draws" to feel better?

Fish like to call when they absolutely don't have odds to do so.

That's why they're fish?

FD+overcards=nuts ussually,
FD+pair=nuts for sure
let people draw their fd's and be happy each time they wont hit
accept that almost 30% of the time they will hit

its actually 36% if u dont have a blocker.

For the past 2 months I've also been destroyed by flushes.

My flushdraws never ever hit.

When I go all in while I'm ahead, and opponent is on a flushdraw, they would always hit 100% guaranteed.

Originally posted by fun101rockets
its actually 36% if u dont have a blocker.

it's actuaöly more if you don't have a blocker and less if you do

Originally posted by Berkstajger
Fish like to call when they absolutely don't have odds to do so.

That's why they're fish?

Dont you guys know that gutshot is the real nuts?

In europe they are called "turkish nuts"

And in italy they have attached to all computer this siren that goes off if someone has a gutshot draw.

i always just make it to expensive to make the call..

for example i have top pair good kicker in a heads up sng. i raise and get reraised. i shove it all in. no matter what the chip and pot size is.

Simply because the odds they would get are horrible and i don't want to get sucked out on xD. sometimes they do make the call and thats free $$ for me

I've been thinking about this a little bit lately.

Say you are playing with 80BB stack and make a standard 5BB isoraise which is called by villian. Pot size on flop is ~11BB, and you make a cbet of 8BB with your TPTK on 2 to flush board. Villain calls. Turn is a blank. Pot size is now ~27BB with 67BB left in stack. You barrel the turn for 20BB, villain calls. The river completes the possible flush draw. The pot size is now 67BB with stack size remaining of 47BB. Villain shoves.

On the one hand, it is likely villain has hit his flush. On the other hand it still sucks to fold TPTK with less than a pot size bet left. What if villain is representing the flush as a bluff? I wonder if it is ever good to overbet (or even shove) the turn against known flush chasers. It makes it less likely for you to get good value from Non-FD worse made hands but increases your fold equity against villain giving you more protection from suckouts. (Or even if it doesn't actually increase your fold equity, it means more of the money has gone in while you have the best hand, making your river decision easier. Also, if the flush doesn't hit, they might fold the river anyway, so perhaps you are even increasing your value against players who are simply incapable of folding flush draws regardless of the odds. )

Well, just figured I'd share my thoughts. Hopefully the maths is correct.

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