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[Closed] NL100 K9o turning 2pair and facing a check/minraise

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DeKuip
Joined: 07.03.2008

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($229)
BB ($90.50)
CO ($134)
Hero ($224)

Dealt to Hero K♥ 9♣

fold, Hero raises to $3, fold, BB calls $2

FLOP ($6.50) K♦ J♣ 3♣

BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

TURN ($16.50) K♦ J♣ 3♣ 9♥

BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $12

RIVER ($64.50) K♦ J♣ 3♣ 9♥ A♥

BB bets $58.50 (AI), Hero calls $58.50

BB: 33/11/2.5 (68 hands), so rather unknown and many stats not reliable.

The flop is standard cbet, just like the turn. When he minraised me I could only think of QT. And that was really the only hand I put him on right there. But since you can't put people on a single hand, but on a range, I decided it wasn't enough to let me fold my 2pair. So I make the call and he shoves the river. The A gives some 2pair possibilities for him, but nothing that matched with his play on the turn.

So the only hand I put him on was QT, but once again didn't think that was enough to fold here. So I made the call.

So my question is, if something looks like a hand so obviously, should I just fold it? Or do I have to put him on a complete range and calldown here.

When viewing this hand afterwards I can't really think of many hands that I beat...


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

he could have 33/JJ as well. Easy fold to the check/minraise. Why didn't you consider 33/JJ? not everyone 3bets with JJ preflop, I would flat there quite often as well.

minraises on dry flops by passive players (AF<1) = twopair+ 75% of the time
check/minraises by them = trips+ 90% of the time
check/minraise on turn by passive players = set/nuts 100% of the time.

Even if your AF stat has a small sample size, you can deduce from the disparity between his VPIP and PFR that he tends to be passive. Don't fall for the minraises, just fold flop until you know otherwise that he does minraise as bluffs/thin value

As for you putting him on a specific hand, I think it is a wrong way of thinking. If he is incapable of showing up with a weaker hand/bluffs in that spot, even if you put him solely on a single hand, you should trust your read and give it to him. Way too often have I gone against my read and I have been proven wrong again and again.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

I agree with mbml.
No one is bluffing this way so he most likely has a straight or a set.
And since you're drawing to 4 outs you don't have the odds to call the turnraise.