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[Closed] NL100 SH - TT set hand 1

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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($131)
BB ($110)
UTG ($131)
UTG+1 ($62.90)
CO ($130)
Hero ($106)

Dealt to Hero T♣ T♠

UTG raises to $3, fold, fold, Hero calls $3, fold, BB calls $2

FLOP ($9.50) T♥ 5♣ 8♥

BB bets $9, UTG folds, Hero raises to $24, BB folds

Hero shows T♣ T♠

Hero wins $26.15

Instinctively feel like I ought to have got more value here. villain is a reg 21/16/4, 144 hands. (OR is 24/18 after 257 hands.)
I'm not sure what villain's range for donking here is, but I suppose most likely Tx and some flush draws. What I'd like to do is just call and let him bet again on the turn. But of course I don't want to let him hit his flush, so I raised. I'm not even sure about the size of the raise since villain is getting nearly 3:1 on a call if he does have a flush draw. I don't think villain ever has an over pair here since he has 3b 10 pf, so other than a flush draw I can't see what hand he can possibly stack off with on the flop but as I said, it feels dangerous to let him draw at his own Price.

thanks


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

I'd probably raise on the flop in any case although calling is an option imo.

At first when I thought about it i was feeling like you should raise 100%, then after thinknig about it I concluded calling his leadbet is an option.
If the turn brings a :heart: you can continue according to odds&outs to hit your full house.
It gets a bit tricky if the turn completes the straightdraws, but again you can just call according to your odds.

The plan is to raise any blank turn.

But finally I realized that by calling we represent something like TP/overpair or weak draw ourselves, so there aren't too many blank turns.
However, you'd probably have to treat Q, J, 9, 7, 6 and 6s as blanks beacuse each of the incoming straights only make up for a small percentage of his range, and you even have some equity.

But again: raising his lead right away is definitely fine. As you mentioned you give him great odds by making it so small, and there are a ton of draws.
I'd bet more towards potsize, $32 looks a lot better to me (pot would be $36).
Imo if you don't want to raise that big to scare him off you shouldn't raise at all, your hand is very decepted by calling.


Originally posted by Bierbaer

But again: raising his lead right away is definitely fine. As you mentioned you give him great odds by making it so small, and there are a ton of draws.
I'd bet more towards potsize, $32 looks a lot better to me (pot would be $36).
Imo if you don't want to raise that big to scare him off you shouldn't raise at all, your hand is very decepted by calling.

Are you sure? I would say if I bet 32$ he will fold handswhich I want to keep in the hand and you only isolate against draws where you are not that big superfavourite (you have approx 70%) in comparison with these TP or overpair hands or two pairs where he is almost drawing dead (on the other hand there are not many combos of made hands, he will either have draw on small hand on this turn).

If you bet 24$ as Tim did, many worse hands will stay in the hand, sometimes even hands like AK. You have to assume that your opponent is not PRO and has some ego etc. To my experience bet 24$ can be good because he will call JT,QT, KT, AT and all the overpairs and naturally all the draws and some spewy hands like AK. He may also do some crazy move (whereas if you bet 32 he only continues with draws.). People does not like to fold to small raise (ego thing) and they will do more bad calls than if you bet 32$.

I would say raise 24 is not bad, whereas 32gets more value from draws. But if you raise 24 and they don´t hit they are MORE likely to bluff or pay something wrongly on the turn than if you raised 32 and then continued on turn.

I see very minor differences in the two lines and think they are almost always equal in terms of EV. As long as you raise at least 2,5times his bet on flop on draw heavy board, it is a good play. There are bigger leaks to focus on in our plays generally, this one is surely fine.

In this particular spot I aggree with Bierbaer that there are not many made hands he can have and you want to protect against draws and get value of them. But I still don´t raise 32 and keep raising 24$ all the day long - e.g. against overpair he will think you may have some TPTK or TPGK and invest more than if you express overaggression raise 32. To such a big bet he will be cautious even with QQ.

:spade:


kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Hey,
Phil i am not fan of beting so big alos cause he alomost cant continue with anything without commiting himself. So he need to have monster draw or set to continue. You rep two pair + that way IMO.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

@Jekyll and Kevvu
I see your point, but consider this: By making it 24 there are 58 in the pot on the turn and 79 left.
Every bet commits you, so he has great implied odds to call his draw on the flop. He also has a lot of weaker hands, but he might just c/f them on the turn, especially if some draws get there - but since the board is so drawy he might just overplay some TP type hands and get them in on the flop vs a bigger raise anyway.

By making it 32 there are 74 in the pot and 71 left. A nice sizing to shove it in. If draws get there and you think he has them you can now check behind and still comfortable get all in on the river.

As stated before: if I don't want to scare him I rather just call the flop instead of raising small. The raise will tell him you have a strong hand (with so many draws on the board he probably thinks you don't bluffraise because he usually has equity to call) anyway, so you should make it big to avoid him having the odds to call.