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Originally posted by verneer
Looking for Value

For example - imagine a hypothetical situation in which you have K :spade:K on a 8 :heart:7 2 2 4 board and you know (because in a stroke of magic, you saw through his cards) that your opponent has a missed flush draw. Should you put out a value bet?

i guess u have to value check OOP here, to give ur OP a chance to bluff, and if ur not 100% sure he has a FD u obv check hes river agression and bet vs missed cbet IP on river and then draw conclusion. but if u bet thats not a value bet cuz he always folds and i gain nothing but a NSD up. atleast thats what i understood from this, probably wrong but correct me if im wrong

Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by verneer

Originally posted by jbpatzer
You're no fun.

Post normal HEM graph, add MS Paint IMO.

Skim this thread and just look at the series of pictures. A true artist at work.

Nikachu is the master. And his videos are great.

I'm not going to enter your nice competition. I have a coach. We're writing a book. You are a competitor. I will buy your lovely book to see what we're up against. I hope it sells almost as well as ours will.

did I win by default?

Hey Verneer
spent last night reading the linked pdf file you posted, I really enjoyed reading it and found the info on putting a player on a range really interesting, I have started to try to do this lately and your link has helped me understand it a little better. Is the pdf file a small sample of your book?

Answer to question without ?
Fullring; I dont buy so many blinds so it gives me more opportunities to get info on other players without paying so much, also because the preflop play tends to be tighter then its easier to spot a bad player when he is playing too many hands and hopefully gives me an edge.

I'm going to buy your book as soon as it is on sale as I dont want to spoil your blog by asking question after question

Will still follow though

Congrats on your new ps status

Roo

Hi verneer,

I am thrilled to see you around here. Your posts and videos are one of the best I have ever seen. Sadly I am not current subscriber at DC, so I can't take a look at your new videos, but I do have some of older ones here at my comp. It would be a great privilege to see you here as a regular poster, and video producer for this community.

The way you explain is higly digestible, and unic.

Regarding your last post, and A :spade:T hand, I would fold to 4bet.
If I start from there, and I know that he is able to 4bet lite oop sbvsbb, I do believe that calling IP has most value. I do expect him to continue at most flops and our hand is too strong to fold preflop, but to weak to 5bet shove. In best case we are flipping against him, and I believe that position is crutial in this case.
His stats show that he is TAG at the laggish side over the large sample. He is certanly aware of position and I expect him to call 3bet with nuts or with some hands that he wants to c/raise flop as a bluff (if he thinks that we fold a lot to that).

Again, as always, your posts are great read.

Best wishes

Originally posted by doctorkgb
Hi verneer,

I am thrilled to see you around here. Your posts and videos are one of the best I have ever seen. Sadly I am not current subscriber at DC, so I can't take a look at your new videos, but I do have some of older ones here at my comp. It would be a great privilege to see you here as a regular poster, and video producer for this community.

The way you explain is higly digestible, and unic.

Regarding your last post, and A :spade:T hand, I would fold to 4bet.
If I start from there, and I know that he is able to 4bet lite oop sbvsbb, I do believe that calling IP has most value. I do expect him to continue at most flops and our hand is too strong to fold preflop, but to weak to 5bet shove. In best case we are flipping against him, and I believe that position is crutial in this case.
His stats show that he is TAG at the laggish side over the large sample. He is certanly aware of position and I expect him to call 3bet with nuts or with some hands that he wants to c/raise flop as a bluff (if he thinks that we fold a lot to that).

Again, as always, your posts are great read.

Best wishes

+1

Another sick coup for PS.com! Delighted to see you here - a very warm welcome from all.

For those of you that use them, where in Europe does Amazon.com ship? How much do they charge for shipping?

Originally posted by TilTmuch
but if u bet thats not a value bet cuz he always folds and i gain nothing but a NSD up.

What if you bet 1/4 - 1/10th of the pot? Have you ever faced a 1/10th pot sized bet on the river when your draw missed? What's your natural reaction?

Originally posted by doctorkgb
Hi verneer,

I am thrilled to see you around here. Your posts and videos are one of the best I have ever seen. Sadly I am not current subscriber at DC, so I can't take a look at your new videos, but I do have some of older ones here at my comp. It would be a great privilege to see you here as a regular poster, and video producer for this community.

The way you explain is higly digestible, and unic.

Thanks! Don't worry - I'm not a subscriber to DC either

Originally posted by verneer
For those of you that use them, where in Europe does Amazon.com ship? How much do they charge for shipping?

I think Europeans use Amazon.co.uk instead. They ship books to pretty much everywhere but if you're looking for free shipping check out bookdepository.co.uk

Originally posted by matel17

Originally posted by verneer
For those of you that use them, where in Europe does Amazon.com ship? How much do they charge for shipping?

I think Europeans use Amazon.co.uk instead. They ship books to pretty much everywhere but if you're looking for free shipping check out bookdepository.co.uk

Thanks! How much does Amazon.co.uk charge for shipping? Does it depend on the country?

Originally posted by verneer

Originally posted by TilTmuch
but if u bet thats not a value bet cuz he always folds and i gain nothing but a NSD up.

What if you bet 1/4 - 1/10th of the pot? Have you ever faced a 1/10th pot sized bet on the river when your draw missed? What's your natural reaction?

Bet to induce bluff raises:) Sometimes I use it.
Thinking what's better check to induce bluff or small bet to induce bluff raises/small value from worse hands?
Do you advice using sometimes big polarize bet sometimes on 25NL,50NL that maybe your opponent thinks that you are on a busted draw (vs. regs)?

Originally posted by wnbMG
Thinking what's better check to induce bluff or small bet to induce bluff raises/small value from worse hands?

Exactly. It's a legitimate decision.

1. Bet to induce or check to induce?
2. If bet, then how much?

Do you advice using sometimes big polarize bet sometimes on 25NL,50NL that maybe your opponent thinks that you are on a busted draw (vs. regs)?

Sometimes, for sure. It's not limited to the micros - Isildur1 is the master of this at high stakes.

Originally posted by verneer

It made me wonder - why is it that all these people are experts in the forums but losing or break-even players at the tables? This question was a turning point for me in my pursuit to understand why some people are long-term winners and others are not. It once again highlighted a key area of poker which makes it different from other intellectual pursuits like solving a math problem or puzzle.

First of all: welcome to PS!

Epic and very useful post at the "Live Action versus Replayer Videos" , especially the last part which I quoted.

I think I have that kind of problem. I don't know what I'm doing wrong at the tables and I really hope you can tell me more about it. I recently moved from SHNL25 to HUNL50

Exactly. It's a legitimate decision.
1. Bet to induce or check to induce?
2. If bet, then how much?

Both. What is better in which case? (I really don't know what should influence on this decision)?
Maybe It's better to bet thin against real aggros (or maybe even against players who are OK at hand reading and will recognize this "weakness"?) who will shove over it and you will get more value but I don't really know.
I probably use around 1/3 pot size bet. If I make it less that can look sospicious or not?
btw: I never reraise min bets (from fishes) with air because I really expect them to call me down light.

Sometimes, for sure. It's not limited to the micros - Isildur1 is the master of this at high stakes.

Sometimes I call down fishes that way with A high and he shows 3rd pair and makes me crazy

Your new book- is it SH or FR? Where can I see preview and price of it?

Originally posted by verneer

Originally posted by TilTmuch
but if u bet thats not a value bet cuz he always folds and i gain nothing but a NSD up.

What if you bet 1/4 - 1/10th of the pot? Have you ever faced a 1/10th pot sized bet on the river when your draw missed? What's your natural reaction?

well i usualy think hes very weak at that point, then ofc i look at the OP and see if hes capable of folding to a raise on river and whats he wtsd and w$sd and from that i know what to do, either it's raise or a fold.

Originally posted by verneer
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Thanks! How much does Amazon.co.uk charge for shipping? Does it depend on the country?

Hopes that it will be shipped to the Netherlands don't like to swim to the UK. If I look to pre-order it gives me $11 shipping costs but don't know if this is good???

Amazon.com ships to Serbia, and if it ships here, it will ship anywhere ♦

As for the shipping costs, I'm not sure, but lets say it was ~10$ per book, somewhere in that region.

Originally posted by verneer

Exactly. It's a legitimate decision.

1. Bet to induce or check to induce?
2. If bet, then how much?

I'd say the merit of checking is that it is automatically balanced. We often check when we have nothing and are willing to c/f.. that's why villain likes to bluff so much when we check and that again is the reason why a check to induce works well imo.

The problem with the small bet is that we would need to start betting small when we have nothing too. Otherwise, the small bet would be too obvious as a bluff induce to a thinking player. Obviously, I can see that this wouldn't apply to non-thinking players or fish..

Still I think in general a bet looks more scary than a check. Even if it's ridiculously small. Fish don't care about betsizing that much and often bet really small themselves.. (even when they have a strong hand sometimes..), so I don't think they would interpret a small bet as weakness right away. Or at least not as weaker as a check I believe. Second, most players either call or bet, but not many like to raise.. even when facing a small bet imo.

So in general I'd say check>bet. I think though that there are definitely situations where a bet is better than a check.
I think that it could work against regs once or twice, but then we would have to start doing that as a bluff as well, otherwise they would adjust pretty quickly imo. Against fish I think a check is still better, because they more likely bet than raise imo.

I just never really used a bet in these situations, so I don't really know when it would be best to use. Looking forward to your explanation though!

Originally posted by verneer

Your learning really takes off when you achieve a certain inner-calmness about what you are trying to do. In college, I went to listen to a legendary coach talk about success. He said "soccer must mean everything to you. It must also mean nothing at the same time." I had a hard time wrapping my head around that at the time, and still kind of do. Basically - you must fully commit to the process and don't let bad results cloud you.

I heard Steve Davis the famous snooker player say similar. He said to play every shot like your life depended on it...then walk away like it means nothing when you miss it. Champions can (mostly) all do that.

Anyway, cool stuff verneer so thanks.

Sometimes I call down fishes that way with A high and he shows 3rd pair and makes me crazy

The fish is all like "Say hello to my little friend: Mr. Merged Range. Ship it Holla!"