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Originally posted by Tim64

Originally posted by THESHade
OH MY GOOd, U played hockey as well? Do u mean ice-hockey or some kind of wierd abomination hockey?

This.

p.s. thanks, Bobo and others for the encouragement.

Ok
That makes sense
Brit playing ice-hockey would be weird 4sure ...


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good luck with your goals man


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Great blog, Tim, and well written. How do you manage to play forty tournaments a day? How many tables at once? All in one session, or a morning and an afternoon session, or what? Someone else said he was a student and still plays between 1000 and 1500 STTs a day - how is this possible?


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I mean, between 1000 and 1500 STTs a *month* :)


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Originally posted by Flashman1849
I mean, between 1000 and 1500 STTs a *month* :)

1000-1500 per month is very standard for a poker pro


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Gavron23
Joined: 26.05.2010
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Hey man, great blog, really inspiring.You sure got a lot of courage(in other words BALLS) to do what you do while having a wife and kids.I can only envy you about this, and I really hope you reach your comfort zone in terms of winnings/mindset, so you can crash the games hard.I am in no position to give you advice or anything, but as you suggested you could cut down your non-poker related(non-productive) hours and spend more time doing various activities with your close ones, or sports.As many guys suggested your there is a certain correlation between your physical and mental health, and as a guy who spends two-digit amount of hours in front of a screen I can only agree with that.As a conclusion to my long post, I would cite from a book about the MBA degree in Harvard, and what it could cost you mentally.I can't remember the exact words, but the idea was that although these guys were working to receive arguably the best business degree in the world, many of them were getting depressed from the feeling that they miss out other things in life while being preoccupied with the hellish study process.I think this is much applicable for many grinders, and is a thing that we should be careful with.Balance is needed :).

As <3 said time to run 50 BI above EV on the 50$ :)


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Originally posted by ulairiiii

Originally posted by Flashman1849
I mean, between 1000 and 1500 STTs a *month* :)

1000-1500 per month is very standard for a poker pro

Yes, but what's the method for doing this consistently and successfully for months/years on end? Without exhausting yourself?


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Abhorrence
Joined: 13.11.2009
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It seems like a lot of the good players seemed to squander off their original $50 but they soon shaped up and skyrocketed to the top like you did. Really gives me hope this time around if I stick to proper BRM, and avoid going on tilt.

Really great read. I read the first 3 pages and it's nice to see your progress. It's a shame things have been hard here and there for you too though. But good luck in the future for sure.


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Originally posted by Flashman1849

Originally posted by ulairiiii

Originally posted by Flashman1849
I mean, between 1000 and 1500 STTs a *month* :)

1000-1500 per month is very standard for a poker pro

Yes, but what's the method for doing this consistently and successfully for months/years on end? Without exhausting yourself?

I believe you were referring to the post I made earlier in this thread. Anyway, for me it's all about setting your priorities right and have good time management.

If you want to know what a typical day looks like for me, I usually play 2 or 3 sessions, depending on the time I have/if I have plans in the evening. These sessions are 2-2.5 hour sessions where I continuously 8-9 table. This will add up to 60-80 games a day (depending on how fast the games are loading), at Ongame the games load faster so it will be more like 80-100 games a day.

Of course during exam periods I have to play less, but in general I have quite some free time during the semester. If you want to know more about this, you can also ask about it in my own blog.

Sorry Tim, for hijacking your blog :f_grin:


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Originally posted by Abhorrence
It seems like a lot of the good players seemed to squander off their original $50 but they soon shaped up and skyrocketed to the top like you did. Really gives me hope this time around if I stick to proper BRM, and avoid going on tilt.

Really great read. I read the first 3 pages and it's nice to see your progress. It's a shame things have been hard here and there for you too though. But good luck in the future for sure.

I still have my original $50. Glad you enjoyed the read and thx for your thoughts.

@Demonic226 - always nice to hear how others do it. Amazed u can get in 80 games in 7 hours. Are some superturbos?

@Gavron23 - thanks also; off to read in the garden for an hour or so now, since the sun shines on our damp island for once this summer.


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009
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Originally posted by Tim64
FT still has my original $50.

FYP


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No, just regular turbo's but the structure at Ongame is much faster. A game takes about 22 minutes on average. I said the games at Ongame load faster but I meant the structure is faster :P


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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Originally posted by Demonic226
No, just regular turbo's but the structure at Ongame is much faster. A game takes about 22 minutes on average. I said the games at Ongame load faster but I meant the structure is faster :P

Those are superturbos, no matter how you call them.

@Tim:

Amazing posts! It is really nice to see a poker pro who is pretty new to his job. You perfectly summed up the ups and the downs of this job, most people only see the ups.
I'm in no position to give advice to you obviously, but I will anyway :) I think it would put a great plus to your $/hr if you increased your table numbers and also a nice plus if you played slightly more/day. I think I understand your reasoning why aren't you doing that, but I'm only talking about 2-3 more STTs each day. They add up over a year. If I divided correctly you played less than 30 hours a week on avg (from the numbers you wrote down). It is not that demanding in-my-opinion to increase it with like 1-2hours maximum weekly.
But as I've said, I know nothing about all this, so it's probably just useless rambling, as probably you've already considered all this...

Also, imo the fact alone that you has set up a goal to be a better husband makes you a pretty good one, but I wouldn't know about much of that either.

Everything will be well with you Tim, you are clearly a big winner in SnGs, so stick to it and the next year will be much better without those cash months!

Good luck in life. Regards,
akrammon


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Abhorrence
Joined: 13.11.2009
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Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by Tim64
FT still has my original $50.

FYP

Ah okay I see what I did, I misread what you had posted.

"A few days later my winnings had disappeared and my bankroll was back where it had started."

Some reason I took that as you went bust.


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Originally posted by Abhorrence

Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by Tim64
FT still has my original $50.

FYP

Ah okay I see what I did, I misread what you had posted.

"A few days later my winnings had disappeared and my bankroll was back where it had started."

Some reason I took that as you went bust.

Fair enough, I can see why that might have been misleading. But, as you say, it was the winnings that had been lost (i.e. the profit), not the original stake.

Originally posted by jbpatzer FT still has my original $50.

FYP

Well, technically, since I have been a net withdrawer from the poker economy, that $50 has already been spent by me. FTP is holding on to a bunch of other money that I won from other people using profits earned from the original $50 stake. There is a subtle -- but for a stickler like me -- important, difference.


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Originally posted by akrammon

Originally posted by Demonic226
No, just regular turbo's but the structure at Ongame is much faster. A game takes about 22 minutes on average. I said the games at Ongame load faster but I meant the structure is faster :P

Those are superturbos, no matter how you call them.

@Tim:

Amazing posts! It is really nice to see a poker pro who is pretty new to his job. You perfectly summed up the ups and the downs of this job, most people only see the ups.
I'm in no position to give advice to you obviously, but I will anyway :) I think it would put a great plus to your $/hr if you increased your table numbers and also a nice plus if you played slightly more/day. I think I understand your reasoning why aren't you doing that, but I'm only talking about 2-3 more STTs each day. They add up over a year. If I divided correctly you played less than 30 hours a week on avg (from the numbers you wrote down). It is not that demanding in-my-opinion to increase it with like 1-2hours maximum weekly.
But as I've said, I know nothing about all this, so it's probably just useless rambling, as probably you've already considered all this...

Also, imo the fact alone that you has set up a goal to be a better husband makes you a pretty good one, but I wouldn't know about much of that either.

Everything will be well with you Tim, you are clearly a big winner in SnGs, so stick to it and the next year will be much better without those cash months!

Good luck in life. Regards,
akrammon

Thanks for this. :)Very useful thoughts. I would like nothing better than to be able to 12-table 8 hours a day. If I had found poker at a different stage in my life that might be possible. As it is I have commitments which I can't -- and don't really want to -- ignore. However, I am sure that I have not yet found the optimal balance of number of tables/game selection/$ buyin level which will maximise dollars/hour in the long term. There is always a balance between number of tables and quality of decision-making. I like to take notes while I play, mark hands and tailor my decisions to specific opponents. I have only had one month with the capacity to play more than six tables (with the new monitor) so I definitely need to allow time to build a sample from which to draw conclusions.

One of the biggest dangers as a tournament player is to draw conclusions from an insufficient sample. It's pretty easy to start 12-tabling, play 100 tournaments with 10% ROI and then assume that you will be able to do that for the next 3000 games.

Assuming an average of $2 profit per tournament, an extra five tournaments per day will net me an extra $10. I don't think there's any 'should' about how much one plays. It's just a case of how quickly one wishes to grind through variance and how much money you actually need to get by.

By the way, apologies (to anyone affected) if any of my posts this evening seem unduly bullish. I've been out for a rare night drinking and I'm slightly the worse for wear. _confused:


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1,000 real dollars

It's time to look on the bright side for once. :)


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BOBOsvk
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are the games at party that soft or you are too good or both ? :)


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Originally posted by BOBOsvk
are the games at party that soft or you are too good or both ? :)

I don't think the games overall are significantly softer, although the $55s do seem to have more fish and less really strong regs.

After returning to SnGs In April, I played 3375 games on Full Tilt with average buyin of $26.27, achieving EV ROI 6.1%.

At Party, I have 1915 games with average buyin of $22.31, achieving EV ROI of 8.3%.

So it does seem like I'm getting slightly better figures at Party. I am actually quite surprised at this (and it makes me think it's likely to be unsustainable) because I am having to play a lot more full ring games where ROI is smaller and moreover game selection is close to impossible because there just aren't enough running most of the time, to be able to pick and choose your opponents.

But generally, yes it's because I am "too good" :f_cool:


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So it's like, I wonder how every day can be like this one, week after week, unremittingly and entirely predictably, and then I have heads up match like this and I understand anew how it's possible:

Allin number one:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
($4,225)
Hero ($7,775)

Dealt to Hero A♠ A♦

Hero calls $200, raises to $1,600, Hero raises to $7,775 (AI), calls $2,625 (AI)

FLOP ($8,450) 9♥ 7♦ K♠

TURN ($8,450) 9♥ 7♦ K♠ 4♣

RIVER ($8,450) 9♥ 7♦ K♠ 4♣ T♣

Hero shows A♠ A♦
(Pre 88%, Flop 25.5%, Turn 18.2%)

shows 9♠ K♦
(Pre 12%, Flop 74.5%, Turn 81.8%)

wins $8,450

...Tim64 grinds back his stack to get into position for

Allin number two:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
($3,020)
Hero ($8,980)

Dealt to Hero A♠ A♣

Hero calls $200, raises to $3,020 (AI), Hero calls $2,620

FLOP ($6,040) T♦ 4♦ 9♦

TURN ($6,040) T♦ 4♦ 9♦ T♠

RIVER ($6,040) T♦ 4♦ 9♦ T♠ 4♣

Hero shows A♠ A♣
(Pre 88%, Flop 1.8%, Turn 6.8%)

shows A♦ 7♦
(Pre 12%, Flop 98.2%, Turn 93.2%)

wins $6,040

Which eventually leads, after more back and forth to

Allin number three:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $600(BB) Replayer
($5,080)
Hero ($6,920)

Dealt to Hero J♥ A♥

Hero raises to $6,920 (AI), calls $4,480 (AI)

FLOP ($10,160) 7♠ 9♣ K♦

TURN ($10,160) 7♠ 9♣ K♦ 9♦

RIVER ($10,160) 7♠ 9♣ K♦ 9♦ 6♥

Hero shows J♥ A♥
(Pre 74%, Flop 15.5%, Turn 0.0%)

shows J♦ 9♠
(Pre 26%, Flop 84.5%, Turn 100.0%)

wins $10,160

Last hand, my KTs gets cracked by his QJo and its another second place. $3k below EV now. 125BI.

But at least I'm not complaining about running bad. :rolleyes:


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