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mig3132
Membro desde: 13.07.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;MP1:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;MP2:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP3:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;CO:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;BU:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥, 5♥
MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, BU calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (6,00 SB) Q♥, 7♣, 2♥ (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, 2 folds, MP3 calls, BU calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4,50 BB) T♦ (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, BU calls.

River: (7,50 BB) J♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, BU bets, 2 folds.

Final Pot: 8,50 BB

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;BB:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;MP1:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP2:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;MP3:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;CO:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;BU:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with T♥, T♠. MP2 posts a blind of $0,10.
UTG2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) 3♥, 8♦, 6♥ (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG2 calls.

Turn: (11,00 BB) 2♦ (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

River: (19,00 BB) 6♦ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

Final Pot: 23,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, tens and sixes (Th Ts)
UTG2 shows two pairs, queens and sixes (Qh Qd)
MP3 shows two pairs, jacks and sixes (Jc Jd)
MP1 shows two pairs, eights and sixes (9d 8c)

UTG2 wins with two pairs, queens and sixes (Qh Qd)

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;BB:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP1:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;MP2:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;MP3:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;CO:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BU with K♣, A♣
UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9,00 SB) 4♣, 6♣, Q♦ (4 players)
SB checks, UTG2 bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG2 calls.

Turn: (6,50 BB) 6♦ (2 players)
UTG2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8,50 BB) Q♥ (2 players)
UTG2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10,50 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, queens and sixes (Kc Ac)
UTG2 shows a full-house, sixes full of queens (9h 6h)

UTG2 wins with a full-house, sixes full of queens (9h 6h)

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;BB:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP1:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;MP2:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;MP3:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;BU:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♠, Q♥
UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises, BU calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) T♣, 2♠, A♠ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BU folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG2 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8,00 BB) 9♥ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12,00 BB) 3♠ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of queens (Qs Qh)
SB shows a pair of aces (7h Ah)
BB shows a pair of tens (Td Qd)
MP2 shows high card ace with jack kicker (8h Js)

SB wins with a pair of aces (7h Ah)

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;BB:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;MP1:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP2:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP3:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;CO:30/27/13/1,7/60/100/-/50;BU:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with A♦, Q♠
Hero raises, UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) A♥, 4♥, 4♦ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (8,00 BB) 8♥ (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG2 calls, MP2 raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

River: (14,00 BB) 2♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG2 3-bets, MP2 caps, UTG2 calls.

Final Pot: 22,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
MP2 shows a flush, ace high (Kh 6h)
UTG2 shows a flush, ace high (Ts Jh)

MP2 wins with a flush, ace high (Kh 6h)


4 respostas
zekaroz
Membro desde: 20.12.2007
PokerStrategist

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;MP1:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;MP2:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP3:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;CO:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;BU:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥, 5♥
MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, BU calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (6,00 SB) Q♥, 7♣, 2♥ (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, 2 folds, MP3 calls, BU calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4,50 BB) T♦ (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, BU calls.

River: (7,50 BB) J♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, BU bets, 2 folds.

Final Pot: 8,50 BB

O bet no flop é bom. No turn tinha já passado a check/call

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;BB:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;MP1:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP2:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;MP3:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;CO:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;BU:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with T♥, T♠. MP2 posts a blind of $0,10.
UTG2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) 3♥, 8♦, 6♥ (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG2 calls.

Turn: (11,00 BB) 2♦ (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

River: (19,00 BB) 6♦ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

Final Pot: 23,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, tens and sixes (Th Ts)
UTG2 shows two pairs, queens and sixes (Qh Qd)
MP3 shows two pairs, jacks and sixes (Jc Jd)
MP1 shows two pairs, eights and sixes (9d 8c)

UTG2 wins with two pairs, queens and sixes (Qh Qd)

Cold call é mau! no flop se não dás donkbet a outra opção é check/raise, check/cold call está fora de questão! No flop é quando as apostas ainda são pequenas então temos de aproveitar esta altura para tentar retirar o máximo de informação possivel para que possamos poupar algumas apostas nas rondas mais caras!

contra um bet e um raise no turn posso fazer fold do meu pocket pair. O UTG2 ainda vai ter de falar depois de ti e ele já fez uma donkbet no turn. Se fazes call e ele aumenta outra vez meteste numa situação difícil. E dares 3-bet nessa situação tb é um bocado loose.

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;BB:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP1:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;MP2:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;MP3:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;CO:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BU with K♣, A♣
UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9,00 SB) 4♣, 6♣, Q♦ (4 players)
SB checks, UTG2 bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG2 calls.

Turn: (6,50 BB) 6♦ (2 players)
UTG2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8,50 BB) Q♥ (2 players)
UTG2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10,50 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, queens and sixes (Kc Ac)
UTG2 shows a full-house, sixes full of queens (9h 6h)

UTG2 wins with a full-house, sixes full of queens (9h 6h)

Aqui a menos que ele seja maníaco ou tenhas reads de que ele faz bluffs do
genero, é fold no river!

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;BB:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP1:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;MP2:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;MP3:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;BU:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♠, Q♥
UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises, BU calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) T♣, 2♠, A♠ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BU folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG2 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8,00 BB) 9♥ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12,00 BB) 3♠ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of queens (Qs Qh)
SB shows a pair of aces (7h Ah)
BB shows a pair of tens (Td Qd)
MP2 shows high card ace with jack kicker (8h Js)

SB wins with a pair of aces (7h Ah)

Com 6 jogadores nesse flop c-bet não existe! existe um A na mão de alguém! é check/fold mesmo... ;)

Original de mig3132

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;BB:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;MP1:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP2:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP3:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;CO:30/27/13/1,7/60/100/-/50;BU:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with A♦, Q♠
Hero raises, UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) A♥, 4♥, 4♦ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (8,00 BB) 8♥ (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG2 calls, MP2 raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

River: (14,00 BB) 2♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG2 3-bets, MP2 caps, UTG2 calls.

Final Pot: 22,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
MP2 shows a flush, ace high (Kh 6h)
UTG2 shows a flush, ace high (Ts Jh)

MP2 wins with a flush, ace high (Kh 6h)

bom fold! alguma dúvida? :)


mig3132 Autor do tópico
mig3132
Membro desde: 13.07.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Original de zekaroz

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;MP1:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;MP2:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP3:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;CO:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;BU:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥, 5♥
MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, BU calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (6,00 SB) Q♥, 7♣, 2♥ (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, 2 folds, MP3 calls, BU calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4,50 BB) T♦ (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, BU calls.

River: (7,50 BB) J♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, BU bets, 2 folds.

Final Pot: 8,50 BB

O bet no flop é bom. No turn tinha já passado a check/call

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;BB:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;MP1:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP2:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;MP3:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;CO:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;BU:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with T♥, T♠. MP2 posts a blind of $0,10.
UTG2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) 3♥, 8♦, 6♥ (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG2 calls.

Turn: (11,00 BB) 2♦ (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

River: (19,00 BB) 6♦ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

Final Pot: 23,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, tens and sixes (Th Ts)
UTG2 shows two pairs, queens and sixes (Qh Qd)
MP3 shows two pairs, jacks and sixes (Jc Jd)
MP1 shows two pairs, eights and sixes (9d 8c)

UTG2 wins with two pairs, queens and sixes (Qh Qd)

Cold call é mau! no flop se não dás donkbet a outra opção é check/raise, check/cold call está fora de questão!No flop é quando as apostas ainda são pequenas então temos de aproveitar esta altura para tentar retirar o máximo de informação possivel para que possamos poupar algumas apostas nas rondas mais caras!

Mesmo depois de todo movimento preflop teria que dar donkbet?

contra um bet e um raise no turn posso fazer fold do meu pocket pair. O UTG2 ainda vai ter de falar depois de ti e ele já fez uma donkbet no turn. Se fazes call e ele aumenta outra vez meteste numa situação difícil. E dares 3-bet nessa situação tb é um bocado loose.

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;BB:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP1:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;MP2:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;MP3:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;CO:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BU with K♣, A♣
UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9,00 SB) 4♣, 6♣, Q♦ (4 players)
SB checks, UTG2 bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG2 calls.

Turn: (6,50 BB) 6♦ (2 players)
UTG2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8,50 BB) Q♥ (2 players)
UTG2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10,50 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, queens and sixes (Kc Ac)
UTG2 shows a full-house, sixes full of queens (9h 6h)

UTG2 wins with a full-house, sixes full of queens (9h 6h)

Aqui a menos que ele seja maníaco ou tenhas reads de que ele faz bluffs do
genero, é fold no river!

Não sei porque não aparecem as stats dos jogadores UTG, UTG1 e UTG2 . Não me lembro se ele tinha acabado de entrar, mas mesmo assim ele poderia ter um pocketpair, e ir até o SD não é uma boa maneira de obter reads?

Original de mig3132
Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;BB:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP1:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;MP2:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;MP3:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;BU:62/89/2/0,4/29/0/-/47;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♠, Q♥
UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises, BU calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) T♣, 2♠, A♠ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BU folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG2 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8,00 BB) 9♥ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12,00 BB) 3♠ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of queens (Qs Qh)
SB shows a pair of aces (7h Ah)
BB shows a pair of tens (Td Qd)
MP2 shows high card ace with jack kicker (8h Js)

SB wins with a pair of aces (7h Ah)

Com 6 jogadores nesse flop c-bet não existe! existe um A na mão de alguém! é check/fold mesmo... ;)

Original de mig3132

Known players:
[tg]Position:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB:10/50/10/0,1/50/-/-/0;BB:62/61/0/0,3/49/0/-/39;MP1:50/20/0/0,8/57/-/-/50;MP2:11/91/9/2,3/50/-/-/40;MP3:42/48/10/0,8/36/0/-/38;CO:30/27/13/1,7/60/100/-/50;BU:16/44/13/0,1/43/-/-/33;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.65 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with A♦, Q♠
Hero raises, UTG2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12,00 SB) A♥, 4♥, 4♦ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (8,00 BB) 8♥ (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG2 calls, MP2 raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG2 calls.

River: (14,00 BB) 2♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG2 bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG2 3-bets, MP2 caps, UTG2 calls.

Final Pot: 22,00 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
MP2 shows a flush, ace high (Kh 6h)
UTG2 shows a flush, ace high (Ts Jh)

MP2 wins with a flush, ace high (Kh 6h)

bom fold! alguma dúvida? :)


mig3132 Autor do tópico
mig3132
Membro desde: 13.07.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Tentei citar os comentários do Ze mas me atrapalhei todo.

Vamos lá:

mão 1 - valeu

mão 2 - Mesmo depois de todo movimento preflop teria que dar donkbet?

mão 3 - Não sei porque não aparecem as stats dos jogadores UTG, UTG1 e UTG2 . Não me lembro se ele tinha acabado de entrar, mas mesmo assim ele poderia ter um pocketpair, e ir até o SD não é uma boa maneira de obter reads?

mão 4 - c-bet existe e eu dei. Não precisa escrachar! Só estou querendo que alguem me ajude a entender porque ora se faz isso ora não se faz.

mão 5 - minha dúvida é se eu deveria ter dado check-call ou check-fold no turn?
Ter betado está correto?


zekaroz
Membro desde: 20.12.2007
PokerStrategist

Original de mig3132
mão 2 - Mesmo depois de todo movimento preflop teria que dar donkbet?

O MP2 vai falhar o flop em mais de 1/3 das vezes em que o vê. Então é provável que ele não tenha acertado nada no flop. Se for este o caso ele não vai dar c-bet. Esta é uma razão para dar donkbet/3-bet/cap. Ou em alternativa check/raise para confrontar o maior número de adversários com duas bets para os tentares fazer sair da mão. Cada overcard que fazes foldar é um acréscimo na tua equity = + lucro!! :D

No entanto nem sempre podes confiar no check/raise porque pode acontecer todos darem check e ofereces 5 freecards.. o que não é muito bom. Daí eu sugerir a donkbet.

Original de mig3132
mão 3 - Não sei porque não aparecem as stats dos jogadores UTG, UTG1 e UTG2 . Não me lembro se ele tinha acabado de entrar, mas mesmo assim ele poderia ter um pocketpair, e ir até o SD não é uma boa maneira de obter reads?

isso de não aparecerem stats às vezes tb me acontece não sei bem porque... :rolleyes:

ir ao showdown é como obtemos reads mais facilmente. Mas ir ao showdown com uma mão que sabemos que está batida não é de certeza lucrativo. E o objectivo de fazer reads é sempre ajudar-nos a tomar decisões mais lucrativas em situações especificas e no caso particular desta mão não existe qualquer decisão difícil. Tens um flush draw + overcards, apanhas o teu draw jogas agressivamente, se não acertas desistes.. Esta situação só por sí já é lucrativa então não existe razão para dares esse call para veres o showdown se essa leitura não te vai ser útil. ;)

Original de mig3132
mão 4 - c-bet existe e eu dei. Não precisa escrachar! Só estou querendo que alguem me ajude a entender porque ora se faz isso ora não se faz.

a c-bet, regra geral, só se dá contra, no máximo, 2 jogadores no flop ou contra 1 jogador no turn.

isto porque as combinações de mãos possíveis para os teus adversários quando são mais do que dois quase sempre acertam o flop. Daí o teu par de damas já não poder ser considerado como uma mão jogavel nessa situação.

podes consultar estes movimentos neste artigo.

Original de mig3132
mão 5 - minha dúvida é se eu deveria ter dado check-call ou check-fold no turn?
Ter betado está correto?

sim, o bet no turn é correcto. QUando tens uma mão desse genero (mão feita mas que pode estar batida porque tens muitos jogadores na mão) podes jogar sempre bet e quando alguém aumentar passas a calldown. Isto se só tiveres de pagar 1 BB por esse calldown. Se eu for confrontado com um raise e uma 3-bet normalmente faço fold de top pairs ou pares fracos dependo se a board é muito perigosa ou se os jogadores forem muito tights e o range deles só puder ser melhor que o meu... ;)

abraço! :)