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Call na 4bet por suckout value ou atolar? Não atolei porque vilão deu mini 4bet e achei que podia ter algum tipo de monstro

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.41 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: $2.05 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): $2.27
UTG: $1.99 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $1.74 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 29)
CO: $3.93 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A♣ K♣

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.06, fold, Hero raises to $0.24, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.26

Flop: ($1.01, 2 players) 8♦ 9♣ Q♠
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.66, fold


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Aqui é um fold bem tranquilo?

Turn foi bem jogado?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $5.53
SB: $1.39 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 23)
BB: $1.00
UTG: $4.77 (VPIP: 41.03, PFR: 28.21, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 39)
MP: $3.23 (VPIP: 17.89, PFR: 9.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 250)
CO: $3.78 (VPIP: 17.09, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 117)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K♠ K♦

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, fold, BB calls $0.16, fold

Flop: ($0.43, 2 players) 5♠ A♣ 5♣
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.43, 2 players) 7♦
BB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

River: ($0.87, 2 players) A♠
BB bets $0.60 and is all-in, fold


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jukitas
Membro desde: 02.03.2010
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essa nao é uma mao de suckout value. Essa é uma mao que contra um range forte vais estar do lado "errado" de um cooler. AA KK bordo A K, sets vs os teus pares vs QQs vais perder a action quando te bate o K ou A.

Essa mao é em principio para atolar na nl2.

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jukitas
Membro desde: 02.03.2010
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a do KKs é ok assim
check, c\c c\f

lol
pensava que era o forum de maos, sorry :(


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double2
Membro desde: 04.11.2008
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E mãos tuas Jukitas? :)


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jukitas
Membro desde: 02.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Agora na nl2 é tudo igual e é tantas mãos por hora e passa tanta coisa ao lado.

Antes na n10 metia muitas no forum, agora é naquela.

Todos os dias mãos estranhas e diferentes e ficava bem sem saber o que fazer tipo vs tipos muito agressivos, adaptava-me sempre muitíssimo mal.

Mas tem algumas sim na nl2 que tenho algumas dúvidas, deep na nl2 de 400bb efectivas, que eu cometo muitos erros. Quando as apanhar, coloco :)


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Aqui quando vilões marcados de fish abrem 2bbs Ip eu posso dar este tipo de call (suited broadways) em posições finais?

Pós-flop é boa ideia dar call numa Cbet com 2 overcards?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $3.99 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: $1.36 (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 15.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 106)
BB: $0.94 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: $2.27 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: $2.22 (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 46)
Hero (CO): $3.77

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K♦ T♦

UTG raises to $0.04, fold, Hero calls $0.04, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.11, 2 players) 6♠ 2♣ J♥
UTG bets $0.08, fold


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Straight draw e TpTk é suficiente para atolar contra esta vilão?

O meu plano era ir de bet, bet, bet e levá-lo all in

Com o call dele turn ficava 1.03$ e ficava para trás 0.94$

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.85 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: $1.01
BB: $1.42 (VPIP: 11.63, PFR: 6.98, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 44)
UTG: $1.93
MP: $3.28 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 30.00, Hands: 22)
Hero (CO): $5.06

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K♥ A♦

fold, MP raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, fold, fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19, 3 players) 4♣ K♦ 3♣
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.12, BB calls $0.12, fold

Turn: ($0.43, 2 players) 5♠
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $1.24 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.94

River: ($2.91, 2 players) 7♦


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NeoBrazuca
Membro desde: 21.07.2011
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vilão desconhecido (12 hds).

ele vai de ol, overcall na iso. minibet/c fp, x/c turn. donk/shv ~1/3 pot rv, qdo dobra a overcard.

abs a todos.

Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (CO): $15.19 (151.9 bb)
MP2: $7.74 (77.4 bb)
BTN: $10.95 (109.5 bb)
SB: $0.33 (3.3 bb)
BB: $11.35 (113.5 bb)
MP3: $9.10 (91 bb)
MP1: $10.23 (102.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 folds

Flop: ($2.05) 3 J 6 (3 players)
MP2 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN folds, MP2 calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.05) 7 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50

River: ($10.05) J (2 players)
MP2 bets $3.14 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.14

Results:

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$16.33 pot ($0.81 rake)
Final Board: 3 J 6 7 J
Hero showed T T and won $15.52 ($7.78 net)
MP2 showed 5 A and lost (-$7.74 net)


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Em PF cometi um missclick :rage: ia dar isolamento e não overlimp

Turn é um bom call?

E river?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.94
Hero (SB): $2.10
BB: $3.26
UTG: $1.75 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 8)
MP: $1.07 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $1.34 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 36.36, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 12)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T♥ K♥

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06, 3 players) 4♥ 5♥ K♣
Hero bets $0.06, BB calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.24, 3 players) 5♦
Hero bets $0.23, BB raises to $0.56, fold, Hero calls $0.33

River: ($1.36, 2 players) A♥
Hero bets $1.46 and is all-in, BB calls $1.46


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Call na 3bet é bom?

Pós-flop é a dúvida do costume, dar call logo ali ou reavaliar turn?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.99
Hero (SB): $6.45
BB: $4.32 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: $2.12 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: $0.81 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: $3.15

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J♣ J♠

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.19, fold, CO calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.62, 3 players) 9♥ Q♣ 9♦
Hero checks, CO bets $0.34, BTN calls $0.34, Hero calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.64, 3 players) 2♥
Hero checks, CO bets $1.02, fold, fold


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Aqui é standard?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $0.82
SB: $2.41 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 28)
Hero (BB): $3.73
UTG: $4.04 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: $3.82 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: $2.04 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 8♥ K♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.16, 2 players) 9♥ 2♣ K♠
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.36, 2 players) A♥
SB bets $0.26, fold


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PF 4bet ou call?

Devia ter apostado flop?

Não apostei flop porque não tinha 3 streets de valor contra pior, então decido dar chb e mantenho o range do vilão mais largo

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $4.31
SB: $5.23 (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
BB: $4.76 (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 34.78, 3Bet Preflop: 42.86, Hands: 24)
UTG: $0.98 (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: $1.97 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 49)
CO: $5.94 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q♦ Q♥

UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.11, BB raises to $0.42, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.32, 3 players) 9♦ 2♦ K♥
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.32, 3 players) 3♦
SB checks, BB bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24, fold

River: ($1.80, 2 players) 4♦
BB bets $1.24, Hero calls $1.24


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Kony76
Membro desde: 29.10.2010
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Cá vai uma que já foi comentada no fórum, mas enquanto procuro outras, fica esta.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $10.65 (42.6 bb)
SB: $29.73 (118.9 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $34.95 (139.8 bb)
MP1: $12.30 (49.2 bb)
MP2: $9.62 (38.5 bb)
MP3: $23.50 (94 bb)
Hero (CO): $25.55 (102.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.59) T T 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $2.75, Hero ????

Vilão desconhecido, tinha jogado umas 5 mãos na mesa. Pela stack, pode ser MSS, mas também pode nao ser.

Estranhei muito o raise dele no flop. Se ele tivesse overpair acho que dava apenas call, assim como um Tx. É um bordo sêco e não há que defender.

Foldar seria sempre uma opção. O call achei que não era boa ideia, pois a minha mão é frágil, e além do mais a stack do vilão é pequena. Se ele fizess este raise com overs, por ex, iria ter muita dificuldade com o 99 no turn e river.

O raise, parece um pouco overplay, mas não se adequaria nesta situação?


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Flop é call para deixar vilão bluffar, certo?

Turn bate um straight e tinha o vilão marcado de calling station (não agressivo). É um fold tranquilo no turn?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $6.04 (VPIP: 16.56, PFR: 9.20, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 165)
SB: $1.22 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)
BB: $2.00 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 42)
UTG: $1.59 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: $4.68 (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 36.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (CO): $2.87

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q♥ Q♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19, 3 players) 6♥ J♦ 8♣
BB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, BTN calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.55, 3 players) 9♠
BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BTN raises to $1.58, fold, fold


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Kony76
Membro desde: 29.10.2010
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $28.05 (112.2 bb)
CO: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
BTN: $20.25 (81 bb)
SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $19.09 (76.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7 6
UTG+2 raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.75) 5 A 6 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.75) T (5 players)
SB bets $1.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.75

River: ($7.25) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $8.75, Hero???

No River, decidi apostar, saiu o que eu queria, mas...e depois do raise do vilão?

o vilão é um regular com 18/13/40/150 (VPIP/PFR/AGG% river/mãos)


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Dou raise flop porque tinha equidade suficiente e quis começar a trabalhar na stack do vilão. Esta linha é ok?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.13 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: $6.38 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
BB: $1.21
Hero (UTG): $7.83
MP: $1.97
CO: $1.96 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q♣ K♠

Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17, 2 players) Q♠ T♠ A♠
BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.47, 2 players) 9♠
BB bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.29

River: ($1.37, 2 players) A♦
BB checks, Hero bets $0.54, BB calls $0.53 and is all-in


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Aqui neste flop faço um "slowplay". Não é algo que eu faça, o que acham da mão?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.51 (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
SB: $2.50 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: $7.59 (VPIP: 33.60, PFR: 27.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 127)
Hero (UTG): $5.27
MP: $2.02 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: $3.71 (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 27.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J♥ A♦

Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.07, fold

Flop: ($0.18, 2 players) Q♣ A♣ 8♦
SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.34, 2 players) 2♦
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.25

River: ($1.04, 2 players) 2♥
SB bets $0.78, Hero calls $0.78


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Aqui dobrando o J vilão tem menos combos de Jx, mas o que fazer?

Tenho o GS, mas não achei suficiente para atolar neste flop

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.97 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
SB: $1.56 (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
BB: $1.09 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (UTG): $10.36
MP: $3.31 (VPIP: 47.83, PFR: 34.78, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 24)
CO: $0.93 (VPIP: 4.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A♣ Q♥

Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.08, fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25, 3 players) T♥ Q♠ J♣
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, fold

Turn: ($0.57, 2 players) J♦
Hero bets $0.38, BTN raises to $1.73 and is all-in, fold


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FbioF10
Membro desde: 10.06.2013
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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $2.33 (116.5 bb)
SB: $3.77 (188.5 bb)
BB: $2.33 (116.5 bb) (25/5/1,8/0 279hands)
UTG+1: $2.64 (132 bb) (29/8/4,0/0 24hands)
UTG+2: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
MP1: $1.99 (99.5 bb) (17/0/1,0/0 19hands)
MP2: $0.94 (47 bb)
MP3: $2.26 (113 bb)
CO: $1.12 (56 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
UTG+1 calls $0.02, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.11, SB folds, BB calls $0.09, UTG+1 calls $0.09, MP1 calls $0.09

Flop: ($0.45) 8 7 K (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.86, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.66

Turn: ($2.17) J (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.02, Hero calls $1.02

River: ($4.21) 9 (2 players)

Results:

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$4.21 pot ($0.15 rake)
Final Board: 8 7 K J 9
Hero showed A K and won $4.06 ($2.07 net)
MP1 showed 5 K and lost (-$1.99 net)


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