[Closed] 200NL - KQo call small 4bet oop BU vs SB

peflop can just be a missclic.

If you call 4bet pf, I prefer ch/r because he should cbet 100% of the time in 4b pot.

instafold pre for me )
i dont even like 3bet - even if he opens lite our hand will stand bad vs his 3b calling range (alotof dominations and so on). You can just call and play calldown most of the board when hit.

falber: I think exactly the opposite is the case. I find people less likely cbet with air in 4bet pots, so what I tried to do is to get him to fold Ax hands. With some EQ that I can hit on the turn, this FE should be enough to make it an EV ok move.

VzLOM: My hand doesnt stand bad at all vs his 3bet calling range. Since he minopened and I raised it to 8BB he will call much lighter vs the 3bet.

He steals 50%, so insta super standard re-steal IMO.
After he re-raises I would fold though. We do not run well against that range prolly. We haven't invested much, and if we continue, we are going to play a somewhat big pot with a medium hand.

That fold to 3bet, is that his total fold to 3bet or fold to 3bet in BU?
ie: What is his fold to re-steal?

T.

Originally posted by Tampaloeres81
He steals 50%, so insta super standard re-steal IMO.

+1
KQ is basically in the top of your range for 3betting here.

What I don't understand is where you see the advantage of calling the 3bet over shipping, the range that you do bad against which would call your shove will still either make you fold on the flop if you're unimproved or get you all in with close to 0% equity.
You will always only flop TP at best and wonder if you should get it in - but vs the bluffingpart of his 4bettingrange you don't win anything while vs the valuepart you go broke as a big underdog.
So ship or fold preflop imo.

The question whether to ship or fold is a matter of assumptions, you can generally go in two directions:
a) He wasn't 4betting up to now but you were 3betting constantly so the first time he wouldn't waste a hand like KK+/AK on his 4bet - a ship is good obv because he folds most of the time.
b) He has not been playing back at your 3bets because he was waiting for a hand - if you ship you'll get snapped by KK+ - obv a shove is suicidal.

I usually go with b), but with some dynamics I think shoving can be fine as well, hard to say without having seen the actual action on the table.

As played you're in the spot I mentioned above: A lead doesn't represent anything because you'd c/r with strong hands but you don't have real air in this spot due to your call preflop.
IMO a c/r would be better, if he's any good he will either cbet/fold something like $25-$35 with air or just check back and give up.
If he does check back you can bet the turn and take it down, I doubt he checks back many valuehands since there are some draws and he'll go broke against better anyway (usually).