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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

At least you win a lot with it and the difference is minimal, but based on this you doing well :f_thumbsup:


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imgoingtomirage
Joined: 03.07.2010
SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Originally posted by Catonthemat
What would be the benefit of the games being rigged?

For MTT none as the rake the site takes is always he same regardless.

Cash games could be as action cards would increase pot and increase the rake the site gets paid....

But they probably arent.

Why? to let the fish not be crushed and keep playing more? More play - more rake.
Yea, there are winning players. And variance. But to know if it is variance - you need big sample.
So until you have big sample,they can rig how they want I think. And you might still be winning but who knows - if you are winning 15 bb/100, maybe they are stealing still 1 bb/100 from you by rigging and you dont even complain and do not check statistics because you have good winrate :)


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

This question comes up over and over, and the answer is always the same.
If you think that online poker is rigged, don't play it.
If you think you're being cheated, leave the game

There have been several scandals in on-line poker over the years, and some poker rooms have disappeared as a result.
None of them involved messing with the Random Number Generator that creates the hands.
The software used to do this is subject to inspection by regulating bodies. I don't know how they test them, and I don't know how often.

But to know if it is variance - you need big sample.

How big?
Check out this site: https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
That is only 100,000 hands and the difference between the best and worst passes is startling.
They player on the top line is saying, "Easy game", and the guy with the bottom line is saying, "rigged!"

Final reason I don't think that poker rooms rig flops, hands etc:
How would they do it?
There are 8.1 x 10^67 possible ways to arrange 52 cards, that yield only 1326 distinct 2-card combinations

There are 22,100 possible flops

The software to select the "rigged" flop based on the hole cards dealt would be obvious to any inspector, and even if not obvious, then certainly impossible to completely conceal.

I've seen a player with player holding Quad Aces beaten by a runner-runner Royal, when the case Ace fell on the river.
Oh wait, that was live...


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Check out this site: https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
That is only 100,000 hands and the difference between the best and worst passes is startling.

thats what I am talking about. They can easily adjust hands of that wining guy and make it losing guy over 100k hands and they can say - its just variance - look at this calculator.


Here I entered 100 million hands, even there it is not straight line, but much better, if you fall below this, you can say its rigged. But how can you have so much stats in your life :) and over 100k hands your game might change.

If they rig in obious way, then maybe somebody would spot. But if lets say you get lets say 50 % of best preflop hands 49 % of the time and anoter 50 % of hands 51 % of the time.
Now somebody can say - ok over 100k hands - its variance. Over million hands - its variance. Even over 10 million hands probably can say its variance.

I hope at least reputable sites are not rigged but I am not 100 % sure.

Btw about checking - they should have access to check software any minute live. LIke they should have access directly to their servers. Are they having it? If not, then when the commision checks, everythinng can be right. Once commission goes away, they can change the software and run it :)
If they want more trust, they should show us the way checking works at least.


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Cheating is a way to make it easier for us to play the game, Very good, like the Street Racing 3D APK Mod 4.6.6 on CoiMobile.com, I'm playing.


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Bleekki3
Joined: 02.07.2020

i know that sad feeling when i can't win it doesent matter what i say because my poker head isint so patient


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Muzykkkk
Joined: 05.04.2020

:spit: please men


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Meisterfu2504
Joined: 03.09.2020

Hi ich war heute im million kurz vor itm und bekomme aa und habe als gegner im bb den big stack...

Und kurz vor der blase denke ich so ein fuuuu der hat bestimmt wieder Rotz und trifft.

Und genau so wars ich raise extrem er geht all in zeigt qq und ich aa. Und natürlich trifft er die q.

Das zeigt mir das die Programmierung einfach dahin geht das manche glücksitze haben... Und manche eben net.

Aber Fakt ist ich habe bei 6000turnieren die ich gespielt habe

Ca 50000 gewonnen und dabei netto 25000 plus gemacht!!!!

Es ist also mit härter Arbeit möglich zu gewinnen und beats wie der heute kotzen mega an........ Aber gehören dazu


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi Meisterfu2504,
Hi
Was this meant for the German forum?

You are quite welcome to post in the English forum, but please post in English.
If necessary, you can translate to English using Google Translate before posting.

Thanks!
VS


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BKkarp
Joined: 12.06.2010

just post your stats with AA and Kings, and be aware that the times you get bad beats are more memorable than those when you win with the exact same hand.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That for sure. I lost 1 time with top set of JJ against runner runner quads :f_ugly:


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