[Closed] -$800 total, bye poker.

Originally posted by cannell555
Hi,

I could comment on alot you have just said in that last post, but I wont. I dont think it'll help, as you ARE in denial. I could make a one time offer to analyze your play, but I wont, I dont think that'll help you either. Your mental approach is all wrong.

So heres my advise....

Quit poker, you will never be succesful if you cant admit mistakes. Just quit.

You sound like your defeated anyway, so why bother?

Regards,
Stiev

why would you say you would make the offer if you are only going to go on to say you wont? is there a point to it?

As i said before, i have every intention of quitting.

I can admit that i make mistakes, in
order for me to say i make no mistakes, i would have to imply that i am omniscient.

I cant admit however, that i have a problem, WHILST i do not know what that problem is.

That being said, i would rather spend ALOT of time trying to find the problem than just giving up, but i have already tried to do this, over 20+ hours of searching, revising, analysing, and coming up with nothing useful(note: that does not mean i didnt come up with anything at all, i found quite a few leaks when i first started looking, and was able to quickly fix those leaks, but this did not result in an improvement in ROI)

I sound like i am defeated because i am. if there is no where else to look, i have to assume its either because i have looked everywhere, or i do not have the insight to see where my problem lies. If i do not have the insight, there is no way of fixing it.

edit:
Canell: i wouldn't have taken you up on the offer anyways, with the attitude i have recently developed, it would certainly be a waste of your time, i'd rather not do that.
I've already had someone who i believe to be about on par with at least some of the coaches here to have a look at my play, The only problems he could see with it was that i was a little too TAG pre-ICM(i.e. he would complete with JTs on SB with 2 limpers but i would fold it as it gets me into too many difficult situations postflop)
as far as i can see, i SHOULD be making profit on SnG's. Or, at the VERY least, be breaking even.

Mannnn... YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. Everything is great. Your game is PERFECT It's just that Luck is not at the meeting. One day it will comes (I know that's what u want to hear!!!)
If you things do go any better then ask to "poker wizard" what's wrong. He sure have the answer to your question (I've heard too much of according to poker wizard... is poker wizard playing at your place too?).

Know seriously: I'm sorry to say it like that but you're the only one that can help yourself!!!
Good luck in the future!!!
PS: last post in this thread

Well after reading all of this i've started playing 29 different tables at the same time in 7 different poker rooms.

To make it easier I've legally changed my name to Phil Ivey, smeared myself with whipped cream and am now even playing with my 13 monitors turned off and am using my telekinesis ( I am Telepathethic)

Money should roll in soon...................

PS if I am stupid enough to read one more post on this stupid thread i will give up poker and gamble on the outcome of underwater dwarf tossing contests....

Why is it that people always believe multi tabling is my problem, i have already said countless times that i've tried any combination from 1 table to 16 tables over an extended period of time and found almost no difference in my ROI.

Just for kicks, im going to play 2 tables at a time(this is about the very least i could ever do without going insane from boredom) for the next 10 games, which should take roughly 5-6 hours. i predict my total profit to be around -$2 or so, maybe -$4 if im unlucky.

Semesa what these guys are telling you is basically the same thing as i did.
Tone down the amount of tables you do i know it can get boring for you but when you play that many tables you basically give up alot of information gain.

If you can overcome your problem and just slow down the action for a while and try for 2-4 tables for a while i am sure you will identify whats going wrong and get that little edge that will send you forward.
2+40 and 1+20 can be hard to overcome the rake. SSS can be super swingy and i personally hate it. Try getting onto fulltilt for low limit sng 2+20 or Stars 3+30.
If you are playing turbo at the 2+40 rake goodluck with that rake + huge swings = much love.

how about stop listening to these idiots and play 1 table because u cant read over 100 people at 1 time and try limit

Self-denial is a great thing...Especially the one of your opponent ♦

Semesa, it's so obvious you can't find any more leaks in your game, because you think you play perfect, not willing to learn new stuff.

I just read your post about playing FL, about it's "non-complexity" by your statements, and discovered what tipe you are...learned basic NL SSS, now just want to make millions with it grinding like a robot...rather buy yourself a pokerbot or sth LOL.

Some people have the right attitude to become good at poker, some have half, some have quarter of it, and some have none. Guess which one you are ;). Just quit already.

Lollz I found your leak...

i predict my total profit to be around -$2 or so, maybe -$4 if im unlucky.

positive thinking is the nuts...

And your thinking is all negative...

and by your post your currently on a tilt...

Good luck with running 2 tables...
You could try to start a blog to motivate yourself...

and for mypost earlier about remembering Nicknames... It wasn't a test for you to proof anything to me... It was just a test I sometime do to myself to see how much information I'm gaining... You could try to make a small question list for yourself about your opponents and see how many you can answer after running a set of 16 games...

But anywho good luck with whatever you decide to do...

This is probably my last post in this thread unless I feel differently..

good luck once again... and try positive thinking and try to play some poker for fun and not whatever your playing for now

Originally posted by Semesa
Why is it that people always believe multi tabling is my problem, i have already said countless times that i've tried any combination from 1 table to 16 tables over an extended period of time and found almost no difference in my ROI.

Just for kicks, im going to play 2 tables at a time(this is about the very least i could ever do without going insane from boredom) for the next 10 games, which should take roughly 5-6 hours. i predict my total profit to be around -$2 or so, maybe -$4 if im unlucky.

For the next 10 games? Variance springs to mind. This comment shows inexperiance, which for some reason you think your experianced. EG. Not taking peoples advise, playing to many tables etc...

Stiev

Originally posted by cannell555

Originally posted by Semesa
Why is it that people always believe multi tabling is my problem, i have already said countless times that i've tried any combination from 1 table to 16 tables over an extended period of time and found almost no difference in my ROI.

Just for kicks, im going to play 2 tables at a time(this is about the very least i could ever do without going insane from boredom) for the next 10 games, which should take roughly 5-6 hours. i predict my total profit to be around -$2 or so, maybe -$4 if im unlucky.

For the next 10 games? Variance springs to mind. This comment shows inexperiance, which for some reason you think your experianced. EG. Not taking peoples advise, playing to many tables etc...

Stiev

i realise 10 games = massive variance, but at this point, the thought of sitting down for 20+ hours(probably half my poker career again) and playing 1/10'th of the games i was playing would not be possible for me. A problem i think i may have(one that was suggested to me) is that i moved up the limits too fast. While its as fast as my bankroll could support, its alot faster than what my skill level was at that time.

I'm so used to playing against regulars on $5 and $10 but i never really played against the idiots on $1 and $2.

So whilst i wasnt ready for $5 and $10, i was playing a different game to the $1 $2 and therefore, never learned playing vs complete donks.

Hi again,

No offence, but you are trying to be an experianced player, when your not. A player with 50 hours play time shouldn't be discounting all the advise you've been given. You dont know best here. Listen to what people are telling you.

I play 50 hours in a week, and have done for awhile now. I dont even class myself as a fully experianced player. Learn by your mistakes, dont discount them.

Theres no advise people can give you, you just aren't listening. As a beginner, take this advise and build on it.

You state "I'm so used to playing against regulars on $5 and $10 but i never really played against the idiots on $1 and $2." You can't possibly be used to playing on these limits. To fully adjust to a limit takes alot longer than its taken you. Again, you are not experianced in poker. Your views seem to suggest that you are, when your simply not.

I dont want to take this tone with members of the forum, but you need to take note. Maybe reading all these articles will help.

People have stopped wanting to reply in this thread because of your attitude to accept your not GOD. Just look at the full picture. I'm close to giving up also, you cant help someone that is refuseing help.

Regards,
Stiev

Originally posted by Semesa
i have already said countless times that i've tried any combination from 1 table to 16 tables over an extended period of time and found almost no difference in my ROI.

so what?

Originally posted by Semesa
im going to play 2 tables at a time(this is about the very least i could ever do without going insane from boredom)

that's bad. you probably have the wrong personality for poker, unless you can get lucky like phil hellmuth, who is successful despite being impatient.

unless you can get lucky like phil hellmuth, who is successful despite being impatient.

I think his personality on the poker table is little bit about selling himself... If he wasn't an arrogant fucker would any of us know his name?

I remember reading an article here on ps.com about a player that said helmuth changed his personality when the filming crew was at their table and started smack talking and talking about bad beats...

I mean these guys like phil ivey have started to make more money for being well known then from poker... As in sponserships... Books... and ofcourse deals from sites like full tilt.

I think phil ivey earns way more than hellmuth from poker

So many posts and I think I seen 2-3 that comment on what I think is the problem here, Psychology! Study all you want, train with the software, but untill you clear that head and start wanting to learn and win it just will not work. So right now the only winning you will get is from luck and it sounds as though you have no luck.

andyb43 nice post!

Originally posted by cannell555
Hi again,

No offence, but you are trying to be an experianced player, when your not. A player with 50 hours play time shouldn't be discounting all the advise you've been given. You dont know best here. Listen to what people are telling you.

I play 50 hours in a week, and have done for awhile now. I dont even class myself as a fully experianced player. Learn by your mistakes, dont discount them.

Theres no advise people can give you, you just aren't listening. As a beginner, take this advise and build on it.

You state "I'm so used to playing against regulars on $5 and $10 but i never really played against the idiots on $1 and $2." You can't possibly be used to playing on these limits. To fully adjust to a limit takes alot longer than its taken you. Again, you are not experianced in poker. Your views seem to suggest that you are, when your simply not.

I dont want to take this tone with members of the forum, but you need to take note. Maybe reading all these articles will help.

People have stopped wanting to reply in this thread because of your attitude to accept your not GOD. Just look at the full picture. I'm close to giving up also, you cant help someone that is refuseing help.

Regards,
Stiev

you confuse me... i thought you had first replied to this post with the attitude that i was already a hopeless case, which you did actually say, so why the "im ALMOST giving up" etc etc.

to be honest, i dont know exactly how long i've been playing poker for, my first post was a rough guestimate which i actually now believe to be very very wrong.

played around 1.7k SnG's... averaging around 6 tables at a time(my first 200-300 were only playing 2 or 3 at a time)
40 minutes average per SnG

= 170 hours on SnG's

22k hands on NL20
15k hands on NL10
17k hands on NL50

average around 800-1000 hands per hour(conservative guesstimate)
= 54 hours on cash tables

so >200 hours total... i never actually knew i had played that much.

Anyways, this is completely beside the point.
when i said "im so used to playing regulars" i was not trying to say that i was an experienced player... but if the majority of my games were on the $10 limit, it makes sense that i would be far more used to their playstyle than that of the $1 limit. which is very different.
cannell: i've already said that i dont believe myself to be omniscient, people seem to be confusing the fact that i wont admit to having a problem until i know what it is, with me not admitting i have a problem at all.

Im not saying i dont have a problem.
im saying i wont acknowledge it until i know what it is.

As i said before, i have read and re-read every article, including the omaha and fixed limit ones in the strategy section. I've downloaded and printed off the push or fold charts, and for 50 games on $2 limits, i followed them exactly, which resulted in -9% ROI over those 50 games.

The only reason i continue to play poker now is to find the leak. I dont particularly care about bank roll etc. if i go broke, so be it, but if i can help it, i'd like to know why im losing so much before hand, then i can happily wash my hands of this game.

Semesa, after reading this entire thread it is now completely obvious. As the subject line says..you will NEVER be a profitable poker player. Everyone keeps giving you the answers, or at least some VERY GOOD ADVICE but you think you are some sort of poker genius who can play 16 tables a time and still take in every move that people are making on evry table...No-one can do that, you are kidding yourself. I play at the VERY most 2 tables at a time and I have been playing successful online poker for around 18 months now. I have played for 5 years and made a loss in the first 2 but since then I am on an upward curve, which has been further enhanced by incorporating some of the strategies I have learnt from this site into my game. You cannot play poker using software as your bible as it doesnt take into account the crazy minds of A LOT of online poker players, especially at the lower limits. If you cannot handle playing so few tables then the game simply is not for you. I mean cmon man, if you played a live game you must go completely CRAZY!!!!! The pace is 10 times slower and you cant play any side games!!!!
I think you ARE crazy judging by most of your comments on here. If you want to give up the game then you are probably right..Why not use a peice of your poker software to help you make that decision?? If you cant make your own decisions and reflect on them without using this kind of software as some sort of bible then poker is not for you...At least in my opinion.

Lets discount all the hours you have played where you have been playing on 3+ tables...how many hours poker have you played then??? I ask this because if you are playing 3+ tables then you are not playing poker you are simply playing an odds game. Poker is not just an odds game, it is far more complex than that!! Over a period of 5 years I must have played in the excess of 10,000 hours of poker..which still makes me relatively inexperienced in comparison to the PRO's out there, and one thing I have learnt is that every game and every player is different. There are so many inconsistencies which will make it IMPOSSIBLE for you to find the answers you are looking for. Its mugs like you that fill the pockets of the people that have far more of an idea of the game than you...Playing the players not the cards is part of my strategy, not that I follow this in every scenario, but how can you do this playing multiple tables??? The answer is you cant!!!!! And if you cant make a positive ROI playing 1 or MAYBE 2 tables that really shows how good a player you are NOT!! You might talk a good game but when it comes to the crunch you certainly dont play a good game!!!

Originally posted by andyb43
Well after reading all of this i've started playing 29 different tables at the same time in 7 different poker rooms.

To make it easier I've legally changed my name to Phil Ivey, smeared myself with whipped cream and am now even playing with my 13 monitors turned off and am using my telekinesis ( I am Telepathethic)

Money should roll in soon...................

PS if I am stupid enough to read one more post on this stupid thread i will give up poker and gamble on the outcome of underwater dwarf tossing contests....

I feel Terry Pratchett's influence here ♦

Tthe sample u provided is too small for any reasonable analysis. Sure u had some bad results but try playing each of those hands at leas 1k times, come back posting then.

I understand frustration, it is my biggest personal poker problem. I get frustrated and I fk up. Thankfully I've managed to moderate this to a very small effect and still working on making that effect my game even less. Poker isn't just working on mathematicaly correct play or trying to get perfect reads on the other players, but also working on urself. Personally I just think u r too stubborn and too impatient to wait for the long term effect to kick in. And poker in a large part is taking the good and the bad and not letting it affect u. U seem to have issues with this even before u started properly.

And to conclude, this thread should teach u and everyone else experiencing such a poker start that, if you truly are playing solid poker and get ur money/chips in at the right situations most of the time then it is only a matter of time before u will start to be a wining poker player. If after all the answers u received here don't help u understand this then u are very far from ever being a good poker player or even a reasonble person.

GL with whatever u decide to do.