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redskwerl
Joined: 04.03.2008
BlackMember

Originally posted by Puciek
SSS is barely profitable on ipoker due to amount of other SSSers and just fishes who will call your raise with hands they shouldn't and catch part of flawed pot.
But besides SSS, it's not that bad. Just adjust to sklansky book about beating low-stakes holdem and you should be fine.

i dont get it, if they call with hands they shouldnt call with, why the heck isnt that good for us?


1seednoir1
Joined: 27.05.2008
PokerStrategist

Originally posted by redskwerl

Originally posted by Puciek
SSS is barely profitable on ipoker due to amount of other SSSers and just fishes who will call your raise with hands they shouldn't and catch part of flawed pot.
But besides SSS, it's not that bad. Just adjust to sklansky book about beating low-stakes holdem and you should be fine.

i dont get it, if they call with hands they shouldnt call with, why the heck isnt that good for us?

It is goood... in the long run! It's not if after they suckout on us, we tend to play loose like they do. That way you're the one being punished. We just have to STICK to the book no matter what and forget about those bad beats. I know it's easy to say but not that easy to do. I myself have hard time sticking to the book. I guess that's the biggest SSS challenge(+patience). You deal with it, you own the game!!!


CRI4BRA
Joined: 14.02.2008
PokerStrategist

it's the software that causes that

when i played at ipoker ( i will never return there unless they put ANY software from any other network) i put on paper all my HU AllIn on the flop for 5000 hands in cash games i had 448 hands played and calculated that THE DOG is favoured by that piece of shut software in 80% of cases . i remember that i gone so upset at that time that i took the time to calculate ( looking over with poker tracker of course) all the HU matches.

well, AK vs AX, the dog hit his X twice every 5 times 2:5 ( 68% vs 24% real %)
higher pp vs lower pp lower pp won 1 out of 3 ( 82% vs 18%)

First time I was so sure that was variance, but i was playing alternatively same time at PokerStars and PartyPoker and there were also bad beats but not in same proportion as at ipoker

After i made my analysis i saw why all my money flew towards donkeys ( who are usually the dogs)

I knew that at ipoker if i'll go 200 times with AK , and 40 times of that i will meet AX ( like AQ) instead of
winning 68% of that or almost 28 allins and lose 12
i'll win only 24 and lose 16

In normal case it's a difference of 16 in second case the difference is 8.

The software is not favouring the dog absolutely, but relatively and the favourite hand lose money sistematically on ipoker in the sense that if the better hand should be 100 bb + after a period of time, on ipoker is still in positive territory but only with some 40bb. ..

well, with so fiercely competition outhere i dont like the idea of giving 60bb to donks ( not even to charity fot God sake) when i should have 100bb

baaaad move for mansion IMO.
ongame was surely soooo slow and troublesome , but the dealing were like other respectable networks. i prefer corect dealing .

thanks for reading


Just your imagination :tongue:


Originally posted by redskwerl

Originally posted by Puciek
SSS is barely profitable on ipoker due to amount of other SSSers and just fishes who will call your raise with hands they shouldn't and catch part of flawed pot.
But besides SSS, it's not that bad. Just adjust to sklansky book about beating low-stakes holdem and you should be fine.

seednoit explained it quite well, what i would that is every single suckout is noticable pain for ssser because they play only 8% of hands. So loosing where you should win can cause extra tilting with so low hand %
Also you shouldn't sit at tables with many other SSS players (unless you know how to play them) coz they won't pay your big hands. And there are maaaaaaany sssers at micro stakes on ipoker


1seednoir1
Joined: 27.05.2008
PokerStrategist

Ok today i decided to be one of the good guys... The result was my AA got cracked... couples of times and all the right plays didn't get a rewarded. The hands i missed was obviously 63o that could gave me alots of money couple of times i folded them....

this night was a nightmare i lost 40$ in 2$ rebuy tourneys and around 10$ in limits...

I can't stand Ipoker anymore... i'll leave this site this week for sure!!!!


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008
Oldschool Grinder

it doesn't have to be rigged to suck.

and for what i've read ipoker sucks, my taf money is definetly going to party (ok, if one of those guys manages to make the first SP )

just go to a better network, why playing there if there are other (better) options?


sismis
Joined: 27.10.2006
Elite Grinder

I agree, swings on ipoker are incredible, you cant miss a flop for 2 days and next day you cant win no matter what you hold. I wish i learned that you shouldnt play those days easier way.
Ax always hits so it is useless to get it all-in with any pair preflop. Speciality are 1-4 outers on turn, they will catch it on river in like 1/3 of cases. If you are more passive player and know when to fold strong hands then it can be more profitable. I hope somebody makes serious statistical analysis of that network.


If you don't like iPoker, then just go back to Ongame (or another site), what's the problem.


Originally posted by 1seednoir1
whatever... u'll be aware of the Mansion poker players superiority... the day u'll lose all of your bankroll to them...
For info: we've learn to deal with all kind of players (tight, semi-lose, semi-donk, donk, and of course Ultra-donk) :P

I'm still working on the Ultra-donk
They dominate me every single time ;)


1seednoir1
Joined: 27.05.2008
PokerStrategist

Originally posted by NRGBlaze

Originally posted by 1seednoir1
whatever... u'll be aware of the Mansion poker players superiority... the day u'll lose all of your bankroll to them...
For info: we've learn to deal with all kind of players (tight, semi-lose, semi-donk, donk, and of course Ultra-donk) :P

I'm still working on the Ultra-donk
They dominate me every single time ;)

I share u'r feelings... didn't know that the Ultra-donk at Ipoker had that much power. I bet the site favor them knowing that they will 100% feed the rake in some point.
I'm working on it tough... How to dodge the bullets from those ultra-super-big-all-time-DONKs (U.S..B.A.D.)


sirilidion
Joined: 15.04.2008
Oldschool Grinder

worst bad bead ever can't seem to win anything and I'm surely not playing any different then when I was when I build up my bankroll. I'm nearly at the point of cashing it all out and quitting poker, but think it might be better just too try a different site first. X(


miskokvo Topic starter
miskokvo
Joined: 28.03.2008
Elite Grinder

i had done some reaserch :) watch sharkscope leaderboards ...there is no one player from Ipoker in top 20 at any levels .... i dont think this is just warrience :) :O


sirilidion
Joined: 15.04.2008
Oldschool Grinder

maybe but this variance is killing me. And like I said, it become harder more people are playing tight in the beginning but are willing too call all-ins when you are in push or fold stage making it harder too win. because people aren't dropping out enough and aren't giving you enough foldequity too push loose. :(


Originally posted by miskokvo
i had done some reaserch :) watch sharkscope leaderboards ...there is no one player from Ipoker in top 20 at any levels .... i dont think this is just warrience :) :O

Hi miskokvo,

Titan is not the best site for SnG's, in terms of how frequent they run. It would be impossible to play a high volume of SnG's there. Thats why theres knowone on the leader boards from titan.

You think its rigged? lol

Best regards,
Stiev


sirilidion
Joined: 15.04.2008
Oldschool Grinder

rigged, I tell you rigged!! ^^


miskokvo Topic starter
miskokvo
Joined: 28.03.2008
Elite Grinder

im not a donk who play for 1 week teling it is rigged... i now there is no poker site rigged im telling u as SNG player that this site is real sux for me ... i played there before...and there is no way play back there .... 8 players with VPIP 14% is pretty hard to beat unless u get lucky at push-fold stages.


sirilidion
Joined: 15.04.2008
Oldschool Grinder

@ miskokvo: you, know I was kidding, right? Don't have any software but made like the same conclusion as you I think in my other posts.

Have withdrawn all of my money and planning too deposid it at pokerkings and hope there aren't that many nitty fishes there


miskokvo Topic starter
miskokvo
Joined: 28.03.2008
Elite Grinder

i was replaying to cacnell555 "You think its rigged? lol"


sirilidion
Joined: 15.04.2008
Oldschool Grinder

^^ it's a conspirancy don't trust anyone there after us ^^


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