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Sailer85
Joined: 15.10.2009

Hi, could you look at this hand and tell me what you think?

No stats

Notes:
Bu:
- from MP ol/3b w T9s
- as BU does not raise Turned straight vs F & T barrel of PF agressor in 3way pot.

The hand

Hero: BB A:d Q:s

MP calls, BU raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP calls, BU calls, SB calls

Flop: A:h K:d 4:s [potsize: 12 SB]
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, BU raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP calls, BU calls, SB calls

Turn: K:s [potsize: 12 BB]
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, BU bets, SB calls, Hero calls, MP calls

River: 8:s [potsize: 16 BB]
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, BU bets, SB calls, Hero ??

My reasoning, PF I 3b for value. on the F I b/3b because I think I have the best hand most of the time and I want value from PP lower Ax and Kx hands which are a large part of villains ranges.
On the Turn I slowdown because a large part of villains range will now beat me. Vs 1 villain I would have continued however vs 3 I slowdown as I'm fairly certain one of them will more than 50% of the time have a Kx hand.
On the R a Flushdraw (okay not a likely holding) arrives, BU bets and gets a call.... If the pot were smaller I think hard about a fold, because of the huge pot I get 18:1 odd... do I call with more possible action behind me?

Also was it correct of me to slowdown on the Turn?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The flop 3 bet seems already tricky against so many players. I don’t think you have much value if you do it with top pair only. It’s possible you are against 2 pair and a set already. The turn you can’t beat a king as well. So you have only a bluff catcher I think and is calling down not to bad I think with these odds.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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pcbeem
Joined: 16.07.2008

Hmmm tricky hand because of all the villians.

I guess I would 3-bet the flop as well, your hand is ok and good enough to do so.

Turn is tricky because no one folded but I guess I would b/c it, your hand is still nice and good enough for a bet I think.

If everyone calls your bet on turn then it is maybe best to check the river.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Well played.

The river is basically too hard to figure out. Don't try, it is a wastre of time. You should call to maintain sanity (even if slightly -EV, which we don't know) because of the huge pot. If you fold, and it turns out you had the winning hand, all that you can think of (if you are a reasonably human small stakes player) the text few hundred hands is this hand.


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Sailer85
Joined: 15.10.2009

Thanks for the advice and input. In the future I will post stats with my hands, will make it easier to determine what to do... I finally installed HEM on my girlfriends computer.


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pcbeem
Joined: 16.07.2008

Originally posted by YohanN7
Well played.

The river is basically too hard to figure out. Don't try, it is a wastre of time. You should call to maintain sanity (even if slightly -EV, which we don't know) because of the huge pot. If you fold, and it turns out you had the winning hand, all that you can think of (if you are a reasonably human small stakes player) the text few hundred hands is this hand.

So you also agree with the calldown on turn? I think that a bet is still ok.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by pcbeem

Originally posted by YohanN7
Well played.

The river is basically too hard to figure out. Don't try, it is a wasre of time. You should call to maintain sanity (even if slightly -EV, which we don't know) because of the huge pot. If you fold, and it turns out you had the winning hand, all that you can think of (if you are a reasonably human small stakes player) the text few hundred hands is this hand.

So you also agree with the calldown on turn? I think that a bet is still ok.

It is a family pot. Any dofus with Kx now have us beat. I don't hate betting though, because it is again close, but too hard to figure out exactly. It is basically a waste of time to try to do so. Save the effort to easier-to-analyze spots:)


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msp3101
Joined: 19.04.2016

Originally posted by Sailer85
... I finally installed HEM on my girlfriends computer.

I would not re-open and bloat the pot OOP in the BB... no limpers fold at fixed limit, not at least to the HUD less chicken, then again I'm a technophobe.


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Sailer85
Joined: 15.10.2009

They may not fold, but i do have an Equity advantage PF with AQ vs limpers. So should I not raise to realise my equity?


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