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Flop: Going for a checkraise looks standart - we have second pair + flashdraw so our hand is strong enough and we are most likely gonna take it HU. He checks back so his range probably be like weak showdown value hand / air and sometimes maybe some weird slow play.

Turn: on the turn it doesnt make much sense unless hes slowplaying so I would calldown aswell.

River: Doesnt change much, just some of his semibluffs might got there, but we are here good pretty often I think so I would call and prey.

I'm not check-raising flop here. I am check-folding. There is an at least 80% chance someone has a better draw/made hand, and making a flush is just bad news.

ok i vote for x/calling flop

so which is the most correct one ♦

Skwerl's

c/r Flop would be the std line here, you exploit the high cbet % of BU and also u need to fold out MPs equity.

Turn b/c std

River, tbh the last time I played below 1/2 is over 5 years ago, so idk how good people are at those Limits nowadays. But there are 3 different playertypes in that weird line spots.

- 1. If the line makes no sense or he is not repping much, he is slowplaying and just value heavy
- 2. If the line makes no sense, he is just stupid and doesn t realize how is own range looks and so he bluffs in stupid spots
- 3. Players, who are "protecting" their weak ranges (I know protecting is the wrong word, but you people should know what I mean), with slowplays and therefor they also add some bluffs with reasonable frequenzies.

It is very unlikely that it is playertyp 3, those guys are usually playing way higher.
It is either 1 or 2. We can take now a look at his stats and our own range, and we are not very high up in our range, but I think still high enough to herocall GTO wise. So that means, we just call here or we take a more exploitiv approach and end up calling top 50% (or whatever), so that we sligtly overfold and make a note on his hand and try to find out which playertype he is most likely to be. Therefore I prefer the fold on the River.

You go too advanced. The board, the number of opponents, and your hand tell you everything you need to know. There is no need to speculate about the buttons high c-bet of which you know nothing when 3-handed on a 3-flush board.

• You can't raise on that flop for value
• You have little fold equity, except perhaps for the limper, but this is not good reason enough to raise because if he folds, his equity is likely much poorer than yours anyway and he probably would have had few cards to beat you (typically an overcard with no :club:; such a hand should fold anyway; if they don't they make a mistake and you gain). Sure, you might fold out the 9♣: that would make him draw to a better flush or A♠:K♥: (is he limping with that), but those scenarios are longshots.

There is no point in folding out equity when your own equity and position sucks. What will you do if and when the flush hits? You can't profitably bet it. The equity your flush draw brings is not of the good (realizable) variety. The sort of reasoning you present is exactly why most players should check and fold on this flop. They risk losing to much talking themselves into investing lots of bets because the opponents are all fish.

Turn as played (it goes check-check-check on flop, we bet) - when raised, reassess the situation. This is when you make the decision to call down, not OTR.
River as played - call whatever peels off. Don't try to become a wizard now, speculating about player styles. You get 10:1 and have a pair. Simple!

hadbto rewrite everything, after realising, that your understand poker better than I expected (reading your older posts).

Flop c/r:

There are not even 5 players at Highstakes who are not overcbetting this spot. So I assume a Microstakes player will not come up with enough checks here. Based on that assumption, c/r the Flop with a wide Range becomes a sexy play, which is even more sexy when we can kick MP of equity (I think he is not folding 4 outs against 1 bb). Furthermore we don t need to Bet the Turn, all we need to do is to c/r FLop (where we are maybe even slightly Equity favorite against BU) and check most Turns. I will not tell you now how we play our Range here, but you shsuld see that we don t need to bet Turn after c/r Flop.

btw you are right if MP calls a hand like T8 here, than he makes a mistake, but I am not the player who is gaining EV, thats the BU. And even if my range gains EV, 76 is very unlikely to gain.

Turn as played (it goes check-check-check on flop, we bet) - when raised, reassess the situation. This is when you make the decision to call down, not OTR.

Thats not true (and I think you know it), also the reason why I have to rewrite the hwole thing, because after that sentence, I though you are not very good theory wise, which I saw is not true after reading your other posts. The only time it becomes true is when you know that Villain is overbluffing here and so you make an exploitiv calldown. Which doesn t seem to be your approach.

River as played - call whatever peels off. Don't try to become a wizard now, speculating about player styles. You get 10:1 and have a pair. Simple!

Call for sure is not terrible, but we are in a spot against an opponent, who is either overbluffing or underbluffing. Because noone below 30/60 has here a solid checking strategy on the flop. Which leads us to the conclusion I said in my first post. We are playing against 1 of 2 different strategies

- 1. If the line makes no sense or he is not repping much, he is slowplaying and just value heavy
- 2. If the line makes no sense, he is just stupid and doesn t realize how is own range looks and so he bluffs in stupid spots

If you think a random Villain is playing is playing more often than 10% of the time strategy 2. Then calling is fine. I personaly don t think so, thats the reason why I would fold, but I see when people do have a different oppinion.

I look forward to future discussions, they will be interesting. They will hopefully liven up these forums a bit.

Your post makes much sense qualitatively, we could possibly really disagree when it comes to the numbers. One objection to the flop play that I had (but didn't write down) is that the check-raising range would be simply too big. The possible donk-check is not widely used in the micros, has never been recommended in these forums, and I didn't know that you included it as an option for the turn.

One more short comment (I am in a hurry atm):
I am perfectly willing to call 1 bet, call 2 bets or call down all the way when defending against bluffs. That is, I am capable of aborting mission depending on how the board develops and if the villain bets again. (Same is true if I am the bluffer.) But for the turn situation here, I let the cards decide, and will never abort mission if I call the raise. Admittedly, it is making things simple. It should be okay at the micros because it is extremely rare for a player to abort a bluff.