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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Known Players:
UTG3: $1,95 - 20 BB
MP1: $1,92 - 19 BB
MP2: $4,54 - 45 BB
MP3: $1,42 - 14 BB
CO: $1,98 - 20 BB
BU: $0,96 - 10 BB
SB: $3,42 - 34 BB
BB: $2,41 - 24 BB

0,05/0,10 Fixed Limit Hold'em (8 Handed)
Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 1.1.807.1

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♠, 8♦
SB posts small blind, Hero posts big blind, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0,12 - 1.20 BB) K♥, 7♠, 4♥ (2 Players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls

Turn: ($0,22 - 2.20 BB) Q♥ (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

River: ($0,22 - 2.20 BB) J♠ (2 Players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds, MP3 gets uncalled back ($0,10)

So I did as the "standard lines" suggested and bet with anything on unraised pot.
When he called I figured that I check/fold.
But then he checked.
I figured he had nothing and that I might make him fold.
He raised and I was thinking that I just should have checked again before I folded.

Any advice on similar situations in the future?

He was a generally weak player that liked to open limp and play slightly short stacked.


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Your flop bet gains absolutely nothing.

This is a pretty standard x/c on the flop. It's a classic bet with no value either as a bluff (nothing better's folding) or a value-bet (not much worse is calling) but it's a perfect bluff-catcher.

Same with the river bet, it really doesn't achieve anything.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Hi! I like the flop bet much more than a check. If you bet he can peel with lot of draws that we're ahead of, and I am happy if he folds QJo or whatever. You're ahead of his range! The bet is for value, for info, and for protection vs 6outers. If the turn falls great you can bet again for value, or go for c/f on most on the turns, or check and hope that he checks back.

If you decide to c/c the flop, it will be very hard to play and you will end up paying him off quite often, not knowing at all where you stand. Not a dream scenario in this tiny pot :f_biggrin:

As played, I like the turn check a lot, going for c/f. The river is c/f again for me, he's almost never gonna fold better hands vs your bet and he's not gonna call with worse hands. You could c/c the river if you think he has 65 or whatever, but I don't think you will be ahead often enough.


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Okay thanks guys.
I will keep that in mind when I try implementing the rest of standard lines. =)


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337
Hi! I like the flop bet much more than a check. If you bet he can peel with lot of draws that we're ahead of, and I am happy if he folds QJo or whatever. You're ahead of his range! The bet is for value, for info, and for protection vs 6outers. If the turn falls great you can bet again for value, or go for c/f on most on the turns, or check and hope that he checks back.

If you decide to c/c the flop, it will be very hard to play and you will end up paying him off quite often, not knowing at all where you stand. Not a dream scenario in this tiny pot :f_biggrin:

As played, I like the turn check a lot, going for c/f. The river is c/f again for me, he's almost never gonna fold better hands vs your bet and he's not gonna call with worse hands. You could c/c the river if you think he has 65 or whatever, but I don't think you will be ahead often enough.

Why are you trying to protect vs 6-outers in a 1BB pot?

The value of our opponent bluffing here in a pot this small is way higher than the value of "charging draws" (which if he has a good draw we're probably barely even charging it). Betting here also leaves our checking range hideously weak.

Fine the turn may come a difficult card but that's what playing poker is and betting the flop in order to x/f a bad turn isn't exactly good either.

We have way better candidates to bet the flop here with, both in terms of value and bluffs

Oh and by the way:


Board: K♥7♠4♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    47.55%  46.59%   0.96% { As8d }
MP3    52.45%  51.49%   0.96% { random }

We're not even ahead of a random hand here.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

I am happy to bet and just end the hand right away. C/c just seems so complicated and tough to play. I'm betting all my hands on this flop vs most people.

I like your arguments though =)


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337
I like your arguments though =)

It's what I do :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin:


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

I'd check/call as well. The Pot is small and we don't really have to protect and he'll bet his draws like flushdraws and 56 anyways and probably is just folding all his hopeless hands he'll bet if we check to him. Would not have thought that we perform that awful against a random hand. For balancing purposes i'd also check/call 4x and 7x with a small kicker and bet better 7x and Kx and flushdraws, 68 65 etc.


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

Originally posted by firsttsunami
Would not have thought that we perform that awful against a random hand.

Yeah it was a bit of a surprise to me that we were the wrong side of a coin flip with a hand as good as A-High with an overcard to 2nd card kicker, but there are a few things which make sense to this value.

1) Random includes all 88+ and A9+ combos which utterly crush us out of sight and without a profile which says villian has a 0% PFR his hand may actually be worse than random when he limps.

2) A FD or straight draw with no matching cards is a favourite or at least flipping vs us

3) Obivously we're crushed by a K

4) As long as we don't match one of his cards he's always going to have at least 25-30% equity with any hand.


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