1I dont undertand why you have put the range of all lets say of bb so
Why bb cant have better pairs from 99 when hero takes his descision to bet or limp?
The only equity you can quess is of mp3 that has before the descision of hero acted and didnot raise but only limped
And that is not sure
Perhaps he did slow play with aa
Our problem is not to say that descision of hero preflop to limp was wrong because he had better than average equity because we can say that only after all acted preflop
Hero at the moment of descision preflop does not know that all the other players would not raise and have the range you suppose
These ranges somebody can imagine that are ok after all descisions before the flop and if are really so can be a thougt for good descisions after the first round of betting and not before all actions at the first round
To understand what you say you say that heto seeing mp3or utg(the same here) to limp must imagine that the next players would only call and so their range would be what you say and that he will have better than average equity
He knows nothing before the descision except action of mp3
Yes, it is that simple. There are two main reasons to raise. Value and isolation. (Actually, there are more reasons, like buying button and buying initiative.) Which one of them is "realized" doesn't matter. Both might easily get realized at a bad table. Button might fold something we want him to fold (e.g. A8s). SB might call with something like unsuited A rags.
It is a mathematical error not to raise.
I know that most players at the micros do it differently. They have their reasons for that, and they think that are doing the right thing. They aren't. Failure to realize this means they are doomed to play the micros forever.
That said, while not perfect, good enough preflop advice at a shorthanded table is to either raise or fold. That is, never call. Optimal strategy differs slightly, but you can never fail badly using this advice, whereas if you follow incorrect "instincts" (I'd like to see a cheap flop, therefore I open-call 7♦:6♦: on CO (or whatever)), then you fail badly.
Once basic FL Holde'm principles are in place, then you can put in easy optimizations, like overlimping a small pocket pair on the button when two or more are in. Note, raising in that spot (and similar) is at most a very small error. This is why you can safely start out by either raising of folding.
I think that most people for told their arguments and now we say all the same so it is the last time i write for that
I dont think that what other players arguments about the descision to raise are bad
I only think that they are wright for higher betting not for low limits
I saw the opinion of others
Other say to call and other to raise
I.e holdemtight.com says to call and beat6max.com says to raise
Now about pokerstrategy.com says that with 1limper you can raise with hand more than a6s and with 2 limpers to rais e with hands more than a8s and to call a6s and a 7s
At low limits even all we know that even we have 1limper if we raise and be called that happens very often with more than 1 player is like 2 limpers or more
So when advisers disagree players can disagree
Also i want to add that at that hand as in my previous mail i told with the equities it is not good for the hero to be called from 4 players and even 1 to have a little unsuited ace
Originally posted by DAIMA2
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Also i want to add that at that hand as in my previous mail i told with the equities it is not good for the hero to be called from 4 players and even 1 to have a little unsuited ace
I know you are tired of this, but if you, holding A♦:7♦:, don't appreciate the small blind coming in, in a raised pot, holding A♠:6♣:, then you simply do not understand the mathematics. The right mathematics is not about opinions - even if some people believe so. Even so-called advisors.
Would you say the small blind is making the right decision calling with A6o? Probably not. This means that the other players in the hand gain from the small blinds mistake. The bigger the hand, the bigger the gain. Since your A7s is probably the best hand, the donation from the small blind is mostly going into your pocket. (Then think how nice if an A flops. You then gain more bets postflop.)
I cannot put it more simply. When they make big blunders by calling two bets, they are donating money to you. When they don't make blunders, like correctly calling in the SB with A6o getting 7:1 in pot odds, they don't donate money to you.
You need to read David Sklansky's The theory of poker. Check out the "Fundamental Theorem of Poker". It is put in words rather than math. You want your opponents to make mistakes. They are your gain and their loss. You must make the play that most likely induces mistakes. This is not done by calling. You then force them to play correctly by making a mistake yourself.
@DAIMA2: Please read the beginner strategy articles again and then come back if you have questions. Your point of view is wrong. And yes, it is that simple.
good luck in your next table:f_thumbsup:Easy isoraise preflop. Forget Daima2. :-) As played, your hand on the flop is not good enough to raise in a 4way pot.
Originally posted by ngocdongphan
I will raise this x3 to have more change to win this hand
That’s tough with FLHE. You can only min raise pre-flop and post-flop.Cheers,
SDK1987