Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.
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Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by MrPink578
I would have 4bet pre flop, but just calling his 3bet is alright. But since you did just call, you should have checked on the flop. Let him do the betting there. On the turn you played fine. On the river, not sure why you held back $1.29. Should have just gone all in.I think the same way... we have to maximize the value with the line we choose. In one hand, if we just call... villain ll probably bet his entire range here. If we 4bet and get called, WE are going to cbet wide.
By calling than donking u can miss value from worse hands that ll not call, but bet themselves.
And here you haven't decided whether it is better to call or 4 bet...
And we are not cbetting wide postflop...
I decided, here is a 4bet.
But if we call, I think we have to check on the flop.
Originally posted by scopinad
I just opened the spoiler now. What a cooler. Villain's hand was confuting all blockers Hero could possibly have.
hahaha thats true, friend. But happens ♠_thumbsup:
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Nitrol, why do you call a 3bet here, hero is OOP with no pocket pair, I would 4bet AK. Thoughts?I would 4bet here too, and stack off if he shoves.
Why would you stack off if the numbers are like this:
MP2 39.78% 23.66% 16.13% AcKh
MP3 60.22% 44.09% 16.13% JJ+, AKs, AKoBecause AK gets more folds. And have ok equity agaist this range when stacking off.
40% is not ok to stack off here.
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.
Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.
Turning AK into a bluff is not ok. That is why we call.
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Nitrol, why do you call a 3bet here, hero is OOP with no pocket pair, I would 4bet AK. Thoughts?I would 4bet here too, and stack off if he shoves.
Why would you stack off if the numbers are like this:
MP2 39.78% 23.66% 16.13% AcKh
MP3 60.22% 44.09% 16.13% JJ+, AKs, AKoBecause AK gets more folds. And have ok equity agaist this range when stacking off.
40% is not ok to stack off here.
If u dont think so, u can find a fold urself. But 4betting AK when oop can not be a bad play at all.
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Turning AK into a bluff is not ok. That is why we call.
AK has amazing blockers and its not a great hand to play by calling oop.
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.
What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Nitrol, why do you call a 3bet here, hero is OOP with no pocket pair, I would 4bet AK. Thoughts?I would 4bet here too, and stack off if he shoves.
Why would you stack off if the numbers are like this:
MP2 39.78% 23.66% 16.13% AcKh
MP3 60.22% 44.09% 16.13% JJ+, AKs, AKoBecause AK gets more folds. And have ok equity agaist this range when stacking off.
40% is not ok to stack off here.
If u dont think so, u can find a fold urself. But 4betting AK when oop can not be a bad play at all.
Give villain's 3betting range.
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.
What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?
In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Turning AK into a bluff is not ok. That is why we call.
AK has amazing blockers and its not a great hand to play by calling oop.
Man ,stop making 100 posts and anawer - what range has villain and do we dominate it ?
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.
What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?
In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.
Wrong. Give villain s range.
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Nitrol, why do you call a 3bet here, hero is OOP with no pocket pair, I would 4bet AK. Thoughts?I would 4bet here too, and stack off if he shoves.
Why would you stack off if the numbers are like this:
MP2 39.78% 23.66% 16.13% AcKh
MP3 60.22% 44.09% 16.13% JJ+, AKs, AKoBecause AK gets more folds. And have ok equity agaist this range when stacking off.
40% is not ok to stack off here.
If u dont think so, u can find a fold urself. But 4betting AK when oop can not be a bad play at all.
Give villain's 3betting range.
We dont have to give a range to know it will have many hands that ll play well against us ip, but ll have to fold vs our 4bet.
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.
What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?
In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.
Wrong. Give villain s range.
Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Nitrol, why do you call a 3bet here, hero is OOP with no pocket pair, I would 4bet AK. Thoughts?I would 4bet here too, and stack off if he shoves.
Why would you stack off if the numbers are like this:
MP2 39.78% 23.66% 16.13% AcKh
MP3 60.22% 44.09% 16.13% JJ+, AKs, AKoBecause AK gets more folds. And have ok equity agaist this range when stacking off.
40% is not ok to stack off here.
If u dont think so, u can find a fold urself. But 4betting AK when oop can not be a bad play at all.
Give villain's 3betting range.
We dont have to give a range to know it will have many hands that ll play well against us ip, but ll have to fold vs our 4bet.
Be more specific. Give a range.
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Afulibador
Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.
What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?
In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.
Wrong. Give villain s range.
Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:
With what range villain 3bets us. C'mon...
Originally posted by nitrol
Preflop you can 4 bet , you can call. I prefer calling .
I would like to hear your line of thoughts postflop. Why did you decide to donk flop and turn?I prefer letting him bet. Donk on this board is very strong and villain will have hard time to continue. You take away his chance to bluff at you.
On river, why did you leave these $1.29 behind? If you are betting, put him AI.
so preflop i though, ok if i hit ace ill definily check raise, if i hit king im not sure....
so then at flop i thought wow, with KK,QQ,JJ he may not c-bet so i better donk to show some weakness, if he reraises me, ill go allin
i expected him to have either KK,QQ,JJ,10 or AK,AQ, AJ
(and river bet was an honest mistake, i immediately knew i should have gone all in)