AK on flushed river

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.

What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?

In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.

Wrong. Give villain s range.

Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:

With what range villain 3bets us. C'mon...

Man, u quoted all my posts to ask the same thing like TEN times?

You were generating useless posts, so I had to ask you one and the same thing in all opened posts, so you can finally answer.

Man, dont try to justify it.

You asked and I gave my answer. Nothing more,nothing less.

Was a rhetorical question, if u know what this means.

I know way better than you... But still I had to tell you it is useless to create 100 posts when you escape answering the main question.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Turning AK into a bluff is not ok. That is why we call.

AK has amazing blockers and its not a great hand to play by calling oop.

Man ,stop making 100 posts and anawer - what range has villain and do we dominate it ?

If I m making 100, u are making a thousand.
He can easiy 3bet w ATs, AJo, KJo... that we dominate. But out of position ll be hard to play even against those hands. And by folding all these hads pre, villain folds his share of equity, that is good for us.

it will be 3bet pot, he will try to represent a hand, so you will get your value. Folding them is not so wise...

And about the 60% when we hit nothing, ll u call his bets?

Yes, we can call 1street. I see no real problem with that.

So u ll call one bet, still being far from the showdown oop, vs a guy that ll easily pot pressure on u. Doesnt look like a great plan for me, even if villain has dominated hands on his range.

So you do not like villain to put pressure on you postflop with a dominated range and prefer to put all money in preflop and lose 60% of the time? That is not wise, man...

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.

What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?

In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.

Wrong. Give villain s range.

Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:

With what range villain 3bets us. C'mon...

Man, u quoted all my posts to ask the same thing like TEN times?

You were generating useless posts, so I had to ask you one and the same thing in all opened posts, so you can finally answer.

Man, dont try to justify it.

You asked and I gave my answer. Nothing more,nothing less.

Was a rhetorical question, if u know what this means.

I know way better than you... But still I had to tell you it is useless to create 100 posts when you escape answering the main question.

And what question u made here? (dont answer if u really knows what a rhetorical question is).
But guess what? u ll reply it anyway... cause I think u really dont know it. And are more likely a kid of twelve years old.

No fighting, we have another gazillion hands to comment on.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Turning AK into a bluff is not ok. That is why we call.

AK has amazing blockers and its not a great hand to play by calling oop.

Man ,stop making 100 posts and anawer - what range has villain and do we dominate it ?

If I m making 100, u are making a thousand.
He can easiy 3bet w ATs, AJo, KJo... that we dominate. But out of position ll be hard to play even against those hands. And by folding all these hads pre, villain folds his share of equity, that is good for us.

it will be 3bet pot, he will try to represent a hand, so you will get your value. Folding them is not so wise...

And about the 60% when we hit nothing, ll u call his bets?

Yes, we can call 1street. I see no real problem with that.

So u ll call one bet, still being far from the showdown oop, vs a guy that ll easily pot pressure on u. Doesnt look like a great plan for me, even if villain has dominated hands on his range.

So you do not like villain to put pressure on you postflop with a dominated range and prefer to put all money in preflop and lose 60% of the time? That is not wise, man...

U ll have not a hand to call till the river when not hitting oop. And this ll happen just most of the time.

There will not be that much action postflop. Think about it. KK, QQ are not acting aggressive on Axx board for example.
Just think before writing nonsense.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.

What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?

In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.

Wrong. Give villain s range.

Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:

With what range villain 3bets us. C'mon...

Man, u quoted all my posts to ask the same thing like TEN times?

You were generating useless posts, so I had to ask you one and the same thing in all opened posts, so you can finally answer.

Man, dont try to justify it.

You asked and I gave my answer. Nothing more,nothing less.

Was a rhetorical question, if u know what this means.

I know way better than you... But still I had to tell you it is useless to create 100 posts when you escape answering the main question.

And what question u made here? (dont answer if u really knows what a rhetorical question is).
But guess what? u ll reply it anyway... cause I think u really dont know it. And are more likely a kid of twelve years old.

Because you are not that wise I will repeat - what range has villain and do we dominate it ? Give a range... Are you scared of giving a range? Or you do not know how it is done?
These are rhetorical questions...

Man, u doesnt have eyes anymore I think.
Cause I already gave a range.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.

What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?

In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.

Wrong. Give villain s range.

Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:

With what range villain 3bets us. C'mon...

Man, u quoted all my posts to ask the same thing like TEN times?

You were generating useless posts, so I had to ask you one and the same thing in all opened posts, so you can finally answer.

Man, dont try to justify it.

You asked and I gave my answer. Nothing more,nothing less.

Was a rhetorical question, if u know what this means.

I know way better than you... But still I had to tell you it is useless to create 100 posts when you escape answering the main question.

And what question u made here? (dont answer if u really knows what a rhetorical question is).
But guess what? u ll reply it anyway... cause I think u really dont know it. And are more likely a kid of twelve years old.

Because you are not that wise I will repeat - what range has villain and do we dominate it ? Give a range... Are you scared of giving a range? Or you do not know how it is done?
These are rhetorical questions...

Its really sad when u keep asking things I aready went about it. Seems like I m talking with a wall.

Originally posted by nitrol
If you play xc flop ,xc turn , you can xc river.
What about x/shove ?

so like in this particular example, i play check call on flop, should i check/shove und turn when the second heart comes, or just c/c it till the end?

Originally posted by Afulibador
Man, u doesnt have eyes anymore I think.
Cause I already gave a range.

It is very sad that you comment on hands and cannot construct a healthy 3b range. "He can easily 3b with ATs, AJo, KJo" is not a complete range which you can put in equilab and make calculations. And if you have constructed a range I do not see a reason fot you not to repeat it proudly.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by scopinad
Hero's 4bet makes Villain fold his bluffs (are we making him fold that hand which will suck out?), and any villain's value hand continues.
If villain pushes, Hero's 4bet confirmed as a bluff, Hero can find a fold.

Probably yes, scopinad. And just by this we can already see the benefits of 4beting AK.

What brnefits if you cannot call push profitably and you will fold bluffs which you dominate..?

In my way of looking at it, ll not fold to a 4bet man. With the money already in the pot 40% seems ok equity.

Wrong. Give villain s range.

Got no point in ur post here. I m talking about the range u already gave ♠_confused:

With what range villain 3bets us. C'mon...

Man, u quoted all my posts to ask the same thing like TEN times?

You were generating useless posts, so I had to ask you one and the same thing in all opened posts, so you can finally answer.

Man, dont try to justify it.

You asked and I gave my answer. Nothing more,nothing less.

Was a rhetorical question, if u know what this means.

I know way better than you... But still I had to tell you it is useless to create 100 posts when you escape answering the main question.

And what question u made here? (dont answer if u really knows what a rhetorical question is).
But guess what? u ll reply it anyway... cause I think u really dont know it. And are more likely a kid of twelve years old.

Because you are not that wise I will repeat - what range has villain and do we dominate it ? Give a range... Are you scared of giving a range? Or you do not know how it is done?
These are rhetorical questions...

Its really sad when u keep asking things I aready went about it. Seems like I m talking with a wall.

Enlisting 3 hands is not a range. Seems you do not know how to do it or you are afraid to show it. ..or both.
C'mon , enlighten us.

Originally posted by zauberini

Originally posted by nitrol
If you play xc flop ,xc turn , you can xc river.
What about x/shove ?

so like in this particular example, i play check call on flop, should i check/shove und turn when the second heart comes, or just c/c it till the end?

I like the idea to x/shove turn.

I was wrong that other time. This is the stupidest thread of 2016.

Yeah agreed, MJ.
Things went so stupid that I ll stop replying to not make this any longer.

Originally posted by Afulibador
Yeah agreed, MJ.
Things went so stupid that I ll stop replying to not make this any longer.

Lol.