Bottom set limped pot multiway: facing allin and a call

I think your raise OTF was ok. This pot is 4way and ppl seem interested in it. Your equity decreases the more ppl are in the pot.
When you face this kind of action on a dry flop like this I would say you will face some set over set situations. Still all your villains look fishy so I guess they can have J7,AJ, pocket pairs and other crap.
I wouldn't fold here.

Don't worry about set over set , they happen Infrequently and when they do your meant to go broke in most cases . I worry about being set over set about as often as i worry about quads over a full house. Sometimes you lose a stack when you play the hand well.

I worry more when i play a hand badly and win , than i do when i play a hand good and lose.

I would most likely 3bet the flop a little bit smaller with starting stacks of 80bb or lower. I think 90c is fine as well. As played I don’t think the BB will shove with less than a set and I would most likely fold with the CO that stacking of as well on a dry board like this, but folding a set is very tough for sure.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I have seen a few people open limping AA KK then shoving all in on the flop in the hope of getting a bit more action then just going all in preparation (a very crazy idea in my opinion) so wouldn't be surprised for both to have an overpair to the board and doing this at NL2/5. Think I would struggle to find the fold.

Yea, we would often face sets if this was a raised pot and vs regs. Now it is a limped pot and all of the villains look fishy so I would expect to see anything. Of course they have sets there too but overpairs, TPTK, 2 pair are not impossible.

WP, even donking is fine

I don't agree at all with those who advocate going broke. I think it is a trivial fold. It is 4-ways and the flop action makes it so very, very unlikely that they are all just fooling around and hate money.

The thought in OP that we could raise a bit smaller (to say $0.90) in the first place is fine.

@yohan , isn't it far more likely the BB having 72 J2 or j7 than JJ or 77 ? and its hard to assign UTG or C/o JJ or 77 either seen as they limped. They are just as likely to be very bad and over playing a hand like AJ i would think. There obviously fishy players so i wouldn't be only assigning them better sets in this spot.

As someone pointed out in the thread also people can play passive preflop with QQ+ then go mad postflop , C/o could very well have an over pair in his range.

There are just to many hands we beat in this spot and very few we lose to , to consider folding imo.

I won't say exactly the hands they had, as that would spoil the thread somehow, but it's certainly reasonable to think that one player is overplaying some strong Jx hand or some two pair, and the other has a bigger set. But still we only need to call 2.75 to win 11+, I think the odds are good enough of the time that they show with some unexpected hands. Thinking about my flop reraise, against better opponents it should be smaller, but I guess it wasn't a mistake against these more adventurous players.

Originally posted by Jensee
@yohan , isn't it far more likely the BB having 72 J2 or j7 than JJ or 77 ? and its hard to assign UTG or C/o JJ or 77 either seen as they limped. They are just as likely to be very bad and over playing a hand like AJ i would think. There obviously fishy players so i wouldn't be only assigning them better sets in this spot.

As someone pointed out in the thread also people can play passive preflop with QQ+ then go mad postflop , C/o could very well have an over pair in his range.

There are just to many hands we beat in this spot and very few we lose to , to consider folding imo.

You may be right this time. It is entirely possible that all players are sitting on air. That said, I think you make a common hand reading mistake or two. First off, you make a preflop judgement about

• Fishiness
• Their range

,which is fine, but then you stick to it without further consideration. You have more information. It is a limped pot with 4 players, so they could have anything except maybe AA or KK. Now BB bets into 3 players. This is a value bet and not a bluff. UTG knows this, but calls. There are no draws, so he isn't running on an empty gas tank. CO, seeing what UTG saw, raises. The worst possible holding on his part would be J7, as he must do this for value since there is a bet and a call with you behind to act. YOU raise, clearly saying you have a set. That is, you see a BB PSB followed by a UTG call and a CO raise. What is you reange in their eyes? Mostly AJ/J7 on aboard with no draws? I think not. You represent a set. Now back to BB. He simply cannot put you on a bluff. He likes his hand. Now he reraises AI. CO, who has seen all this must know that he is likely facing two sets, yet he calls.

As I said, I may be wrong (this particular time), but that would mean that both players are bad beyond reason. If you have a read that every limper is bad beyond reason, then calling is automatic. But it suffices that one of them don't hate money for a clear fold.

You have reasonable pot odds, but basing strategy solely on assumed fishiness and totally disregard what happens after the flop is a big mistake.